smackie, I don't get why you always try to make it seem like there's this "us vs them" thing going on between men and women. You're the only one who's talking about women wanting men to change and all that.
In some tribal societies it's perfectly normal for women to walk around topless, and guys don't ogle like creeps all the time simply because they are used to it, so there's nothing necessarily sexual about it. Of course they will see and admire in some cases, but there's a huge difference from seeing and admiring (like most women would see and admire a hot guy's bare upper-body) and being a creep about it (leering, ogling, winking, etc). This thread is not about porn: porn is supposed to be sexual, by definition. Topless women are not.