I know that during meditation one can completely cut off the 5 senses and remainly completely aware of the mind only. In this case I would have to say that its possible for a brain to be self aware without senses. Just a thought :)
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I know that during meditation one can completely cut off the 5 senses and remainly completely aware of the mind only. In this case I would have to say that its possible for a brain to be self aware without senses. Just a thought :)
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Originally Posted by lilwing [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I guess you have? It sounds creepy.Quote:
Originally Posted by misombra [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Good point. Then again.. we can't know if they really can totally separate the senses. Seems like it wouldn't be the same as having no nervous connection. But, I don't see why a brain couldn't be self-aware without senses. But, an awareness of what would it be? We are aware of ourselves, our bodies, our existence in the world. We use our senses to ascertain those things. If your brain was suddenly isolated, wouldn't you loose some aspects of your self-awareness?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zach [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
The brain contains an image/representation of your body in it. If someone pinches your arm, you're not feeling it on your arm, it's actually.. I usually imagine a little guy in your brain is looking at a map of your body and a wire from which the message came, and saying "well.. that must be on our arm".
This is why people with amputated limbs can still feel stuff on the missing limb. Without being able to maintain that body map, how would the brain cope?
Well I think you would have to be right in some way because I think that the human brain is totally used to and probably completely adapted to using a body as a direct part of being now a days. Although Im sure in some other way it might be able to be aware of itself although if it were born with no senses it probably would experience a much different awareness overall than one who had all the same senses to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiay [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Strange.. although I think I have gotten off the topic a lil?
Hypothesis can be investigative question, but it might not. But I guess that is irrelevant right now anyway, just some nonsense of who can define things better, that have no significance to the topic...Quote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
And I don't think there is anything bad in brain-stretching. If you really mean thinking as learning to see things as they are, not just dreaming, then it can be really good experience. I call it meditation which comes down to whole life lasting session. You learn to see things as they are and accept it or change some things without any kind of illusion, it creates a whole lot of better feeling in the end and your life is fulfilled.
About the brain-stretching stage... hmm, yeah i think every teenager goes trough some point when they seem to know everything, but it depends what level are you talking about right now. For some, it last whole life, and its normal because people are different and act differently.
Oh and I have seen the movie "What the bleep do we know".. was a good introduction.
And Zach, according to science, our brain is very much not used... there are even people who doesn't have much brain or just have half of it, and they live normal life, heh. Or did you mean something else? I am sorry, I haven't looked trough the whole thread... A different awareness? Hmm, thats an interesting question. You ever wondered how blind-and deaf people feel, sence and think? And, have you also thought about an octupus, who according to the amount of separate controllable body parts, must have very complicated brain, I wonder how he senses things.
People born with no senses are vegetables their entire life and barely survive. Those who are born with a lack of certain senses, depending on which ones, are mentally retarded through out their entire life and have a harder time accomplishing things compared to those who have these senses. Their IQ is dramatically lower compared to those living healthy lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zach [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Define "bad energy". My answer is no....but I can imagine how a pot head could neglect taking care of his plants and smoking around them(which is no good for plants) and making the plants look like shit. Lets not be silly, plants are not conscious but they are alive. Thanks though, I loled.Quote:
Originally Posted by misombra [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
False, lies. Show me where science says this directly? Every part of a brain has a specific function. When brain matter is lost there are always consequences, you can live but there are consequences. The false rumor that says only a certain percentage of out brain is used has gone to far, but that is all it is...a bad rumor. I don't mind hearing an opinion but I don't like when people lie in the name of science.Quote:
Originally Posted by boobaa [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
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By the way, the left brain is just as busy with the functions that it has.
Here is an interesting story for you guys:
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage[/url]
Please read some of this, it is very interesting. If you guys have the interest in how the mind works.
He was NO LONGER Gage, guess that piece of metal pipe that destroyed his frontal lobes managed to open up a portal to the other conscious dimension where he went.Quote:
Phineas P. Gage (July 9?, 1823 – May 21?, 1860) was a railroad worker remembered for his incredible survival of a traumatic brain injury which destroyed one or both of his frontal lobes, and for the injury's reported effects on his personality and social functioning—effects said to be so profound that friends said he was "no longer Gage."
I wondered, never having gotten the 'noob' comments from you. I am your little love cricket then, LW. At your disposal.Quote:
Originally Posted by lilwing [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
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:oriental:
I agree with thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Tiay [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I think there is more to consciousness than we think. I don't think it's simply located in one place.
Ohh love cricket? I like the sound of that :DQuote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I recognized you right off the bat, remembering you from beforehand... oh, and by the way, your custom user title is "Returning LF Alumni" if you've forgotten. ;)
[url]http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp[/url]
the myth that we only use 10 percent of our brains has hung on so long because people like the idea that 90 percent is there, untapped, available to explain all sorts of paranormal abilities. People simply like the idea.
ah, duality. I don't agree with that conclusion, but hey, that's just me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mishanya [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Yeah, I have always heard people say that we only use a small % of brain. I tend to be skeptical but I do my best to keep a open mind.
I have my own idea's about our brains but unfortunately I lack any evidence to support it. I think that instead of using only 10% of our brain we might only be using 10% of the capacity at which the brain can work. Kind of like running a nascar engine only at 10 mph although the whole engine is being used it still has much more room for improvement.
I would recommend everyone checking this video out, I found it incredibly interesting. It blows science away :)
This is the 1st part of the video, there are 2 more.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTIApotjNI4"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTIApotjNI4[/ame]
His brain structure must be somewhat different than our own?
Boobaa,
As for not having senses and still being self aware, Im pretty sure this is possible and for the most part would end up with a less intelligent brain in the long run. A awareness of self in this physical world without senses wouldnt do the brain much good at all. Like OV said, it would probably end up being so primitive that it wouldnt seem very alive at all. Although Im curious about what sort of thoughts a brain like this would have. It wouldn't have any of the 5 senses to use so what would its dreams be like? Or rather, what kind of dreams would it have?
I guess I think theres too much more to discover to come to any serious conclusions quite yet about consciousness. :)
zach, I saw that thing before, it's very impressive. I don't see how it "blows away" science. Science explains this guy's brain just fine- maybe not as well as we'd like, but there is no fundamental mystery there.
I believe we can get a lot more out of our brains if we trained them. I don't, however, believe that it is drastic as 90%. That doesn't make evolutionary sense. Our brains are our main assets, really, and our high energy high meat diet made it possible. It is a big liability in times of hardship. Evolution would not give us a bigger brain with more capacity than we absolutely need to survive and reproduce.
I think its more to do with 'known function' rather than it not having one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zach [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Scientists used to say that most of our DNA was useless 'junk' until ppl started doing experiments and figuring out what its function is.
In my opinion, biology has been around so long that practically everything has a function, we just may not know what it is. New science findings in the last 20 years has almost come down to 'if you can imagine it, biology already has'. So once you come up with an idea you just go looking for the example of your imagining. I could fill pages listing examples of this type of thing.
FWIW, I agree with this^. My personal reasons comes from observations of children. Kids today are exposed to concepts much younger than I ever was & they are just sopping it up like dessicated sponges.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zach [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Is the internet conscious? What do you think?
There are different reasons for that but I am just gonna leave it alone. College today is what high school was a while back. It used to be where a HS diploma actually meant something, today it is just a stepping stone if you want anything done.Quote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
mmmm no. at least I hope not! but, could it become conscious? Can man create consciousness in a programme or robot?Quote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I think you might like some of Cory Doctorow's fiction, indi.