Mish he's made it pretty clear he doesn't consider himself a Christian.
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Mish he's made it pretty clear he doesn't consider himself a Christian.
That's what I want to hear from him CB. In the past he made it pretty clear that he is a Christian and that's one of the reasons why he is so anti left, because (allegedly) the left attacks his Religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Boy II [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
It's not a double standard at all you moron. You're having a lot of trouble understanding how it isn't so I'll be more explicit explaining it to youQuote:
Originally Posted by Mishanya [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I don't need to act as a Christian to know that the principles of Christianity are good. I can see that what Christianity stands for are good principles, but I don't have to be a Christian myself to see that
Understand?
So when I see people attacking it, I become completely pissed off because I see that they are being unfair and hateful to something good
And I am, just for the record, Christian
Social security is messed up because it is giving money to people who were dumb as spend it on stupid things and didn't save and work hard when they were younger. The same goes for other welfare programs. Almost nobody over the age of 22 in this country that is poor didn't have the opportunity to help themselves
And @ misombra, I don't need to go anywhere outside of Rochester to see what poverty looks like. Instead of giving those people handouts drive them out to a factory or farm for work and teach them good spending habits
old people who are on social security and medicaid?
yeah that'll work. not.
next suggestion please?
Okay to summarizeQuote:
Originally Posted by DoesntMatter [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
You are a Christian and everyone who is poor is dumb and therefore doesn't need any help.
Is that about right?
No, not just cut social security right out from current old peoples feet, but to begin phasing it out and teaching the idiotic youth and young adults to wisen up on how they spend their money
And suddenly you become willing to use the stereotype of the good ChristianQuote:
Originally Posted by Mishanya [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Most poor people don't need help and they can help themselves but they aren't motivated to. Poor people in Africa are far more needing of our help than many "poor" Americans. Poor people in this country have homeless shelters and soup kitchens. That is as far as the help should go in terms of handouts. The rest should be job training
And on another note,
Being Christian doesn't mean you are able to follow all that is set for you to follow. Because if you did, you would be (pretty much by definition of Christianity) Jesus Christ himself. I accept the guidelines Jesus laid down as being the template on how to live
You see, people like my parents just let attacks on Christianity roll off their back and not think about it. Although when it becomes really venomous it does hurt my mom. I don't ever feel like putting up with it anymore
that would bad for business. companies bank on people who are unwise about their money.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoesntMatter [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I am def all Obama!! He is going to bring this country the change it needs. McCain says he KNOWS what to do but doesnt go in any further than that. No explanation. He spends all his time talking about Obama. And Palin - forget it. She might be nice to look at but thats about it. Republicans are lyin to themselves when it comes to her. Some Republicans are now backin Obama, noteven thier OWN party. You have to consider that.
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Originally Posted by DoesntMatter [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
So, this is what you believe, but you DIDN'T vote for Obama??Quote:
Originally Posted by DoesntMatter [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Oh, yes, these are exactly the type of programs that McCain is promoting. :P
DM. I think you are full of shit. You didn't vote Obama b/c he's black, I think.
Obama plans to put a huge amount of finance & focus into US energy innnovation. You are simply too young & stupid to realize what an incredible investment opportunity this will be for someone who will have your income in 10 years. Foolish & short-sighted you are, Grasshopper. :P
I understand that no one's perfect DM. It's good that you accept the guidelines of Jesus, but if you do I'm interested to hear your thoughts on the following passages from the Bible. Because personally my understanding of them is Jesus himself was into "redistribution of wealth".Quote:
Originally Posted by DoesntMatter [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Matthew 19:23-24
"Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."
On social programs: "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." (Matthew 19:21.)
On financial success: "No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.." (Matthew 19:23; 6:24.)
On the philosophy that "greed is good": "Then he said to them, "Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions." (Luke 12:15.)
"Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share." (1 Timothy 6:17,18)
"Listen, my dear brothers: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who loved him? But you have insulted the poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting you? Are they not the ones who are dragging you into court? Are they not the ones who are slandering the noble name of him to whom you belong?" (James 2:5-7)
"Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming upon you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you failed to pay the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter.[a] You have condemned and murdered innocent men, who were not opposing you." (James 5:1-6)
Once again, this is how I see it. Jesus is favoring the practice of giving to the poor over accumulating wealth. From what I understand according to the bible, giving to the poor is not just an act of kindness, it's a Christian duty. The person who chooses to accumulate wealth instead of using that wealth to care for the poor chooses money over God.
Mish, are you actually preaching to DM as a way of showing how he's being inconsistent? LOL!
Come on, now. Most Christians are hypocrites in that they pick & choose those aspects of the bible which suit their chosen lifestyle. If they didn't they would have to move in with the fundamentalist muslims who think its perfectly okay to chop off someone's hand b/c they stole something to feed their family.
DM is susceptible to reason. He believes in *christian values*, which (for some ppl) isn't the same thing as blind belief in the bible. I think so, anyway.
I'm just pointing out the obvious Indi that a Christian person can't consider himself to be a true Christian if they don't believe in charity, care about accumulation of wealth and don't care about the poor. The way I see it this is one of the core principals and the core "Christian value". I understand that a person can choose not to follow this particular aspect of Christianity, but then they should probably find a different faith as it's completely un-Christian. Entire life of Jesus is the one of charity.Quote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
If that's the case I don't think there is such a thing as a true Christian. A true Christian would never own a car. His home would be a shack at best. A true Christian would spend only so much money as was needed to sustain himself. The rest would be given to the poor. Stick your head in a Christian church, though, and what do you see? Gold tabernacles, stained glass, mahogany wood, and even the poorest congregations dressed luxuriantly. There aren't many Mother Teresa's left, methinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mishanya [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
You know what I don't get about Christianity? How is it that the New Testament completely overwrites the Old? Is that what Jesus intended? Or do people just disregard the Old Testament because it isn't as pleasant? And if you disregard better than half your religious text, can you really be considered a member of that particular religion?