What's the point of having intelligence if you're not pretty?

That's the general message I get from today's society:

"It doesn't matter how intelligent you are, there's no point to it if you're not pretty".

It seems at the end of the day, no matter how "perfect" you are in other areas, if you're not pretty or you do not live up the expectations of the other sex; then it will seem people will just criticise you.

It's sad that society has come to a point where sexiness is more important than intelligence or whatever you want to call it. You know what I mean.

It's sad that society has more respect for people like Cheryl Cole, Angelina Jolie, Kim Kardashian or whatever than scientists, engineers and the like.

Thats not true... intelligence has a lot to do with attractiveness, and that continues to expand as relationships progress. Attractive people may seem like they get all of the... guys.. coming from a female perspective, but that truly is only skin deep. Without a good personality, some common sense, and intelligence, there is no substance to a single one of those relationships.

People don't respect those women... they're objects. Nobody truly cares about them.


Physical beauty can take many shapes, and actual physical changes are a lot easier to make then being smart, funny, kind, et cetera.

I have never found intelligence to be of much use in social situations, unless I am speaking to someone of equal intelligence who can understand it. Most of the time I have to speak to the average intellectual level just to be understood. Where I have found intellience useful is figuring out how to get what I want out of life. But really, common sense is much more valuable, and probably equally as rare.

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Originally Posted by academicgirl [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

That's the general message I get from today's society:

"It doesn't matter how intelligent you are, there's no point to it if you're not pretty".

It seems at the end of the day, no matter how "perfect" you are in other areas, if you're not pretty or you do not live up the expectations of the other sex; then it will seem people will just criticise you.

It's sad that society has come to a point where sexiness is more important than intelligence or whatever you want to call it. You know what I mean.

It's sad that society has more respect for people like Cheryl Cole, Angelina Jolie, Kim Kardashian or whatever than scientists, engineers and the like.

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You are hanging with the wrong people. Smart is sexy.

http://www.businessinsider.com/50-sexy-scientists-2013-2?op=1

I would consider myself intelligent and sexy.

Lol nobody likes a bimbo.. All the looks in the world are nothing without some common sense.

You dont need to be a scientist to be intelligent-it takes many forms.
However most dont like someone who is all work and no play or someone who is too logical and practical with no emotional intelligence..

As with all things, balance is key.

Btw i wouldnt consider cheryl cole dumb. Just coz shes good looking doesnt mean she doesnt have a brain

Uh, the point of being intelligent as a woman, irrespective of physical looks, is to enable the woman to not be dependent on a man for a living.

Actually, Cos, an intelligent woman is more likely to raise her offspring to adulthood.

I don't disagree about modern women being independent of men for living, but from a pure biological POV, this is the reason.

Men = aggressive providers so that women can be nurturers. Why do you think women are so much better than men at considering the worse case scenario of events? It's b/c we need to be able to predict what might happen to our offspring in conditions of x, y, z

I agree with cosmo. Not depending on a man doesnt mean not having a man. It means being able to live without that man and look after your offspring if he leaves, dies or f**ks up so bad you want to leave him..

Being smart means not trapping yourself so you have choices and can survive

independents helps prevent co-dependency

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Originally Posted by michelle23 [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

I agree with cosmo. Not depending on a man doesnt mean not having a man. It means being able to live without that man and look after your offspring if he leaves, dies or f**ks up so bad you want to leave him..

Being smart means not trapping yourself so you have choices and can survive

independents helps prevent co-dependency

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Thats not being smart.. in the animal world, thats considered survival instincts... not even remotely close to intelligence.. Animals with half a brain are able to take care of themselves and their offspring without both parents.

Intelligence has a lot more to do with general attractiveness.... being smart enough to to get a good job, effect the world positively around you, interact with people in a positive way.

Intelligence doesn't necessarily mean that they have common sense.. which most people on this site lack... and it doesn't mean they have survival instinct, which many people here also lack - especially those women who get beaten and find their way back to that guy.

I wasnt talking about intelligence-just responded to what yc and indi said

Okeydokey.

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Originally Posted by michelle23 [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

I agree with cosmo. Not depending on a man doesnt mean not having a man. It means being able to live without that man and look after your offspring if he leaves, dies or f**ks up so bad you want to leave him..

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Well, you are a cat.

I am a human. Shrug.

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Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

You are hanging with the wrong people. Smart is sexy.

http://www.businessinsider.com/50-sexy-scientists-2013-2?op=1

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She's right, smart is dead-sexy. I've gone out with women who weren't particularly attractive just because they were interesting to talk to.

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Originally Posted by academicgirl [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

That's the general message I get from today's society:

"It doesn't matter how intelligent you are, there's no point to it if you're not pretty".

It seems at the end of the day, no matter how "perfect" you are in other areas, if you're not pretty or you do not live up the expectations of the other sex; then it will seem people will just criticise you.

It's sad that society has come to a point where sexiness is more important than intelligence or whatever you want to call it. You know what I mean.

It's sad that society has more respect for people like Cheryl Cole, Angelina Jolie, Kim Kardashian or whatever than scientists, engineers and the like.

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Ironically, you are worried about finding a great guy with a small penis. So, I'd say you're just as shallow as all the rest who judge someone by physical assets alone.

Ignore Society, it's mostly bullshit.

Get on and you will be happy.

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Originally Posted by LifeInflux [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Thats not being smart.. in the animal world, thats considered survival instincts... not even remotely close to intelligence.. Animals with half a brain are able to take care of themselves and their offspring without both parents.

Intelligence has a lot more to do with general attractiveness.... being smart enough to to get a good job, effect the world positively around you, interact with people in a positive way.

Intelligence doesn't necessarily mean that they have common sense.. which most people on this site lack... and it doesn't mean they have survival instinct, which many people here also lack - especially those women who get beaten and find their way back to that guy.

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True. Btw, you can clearly tell the people on this forum who is intelligent, book smart, I'll give them that but you can also see that they have no common sense whatsoever. A lot of times you can't tell people like that anything because they think they know it all but really know nothing in the real world.

Being smart is sexy. Knowing what you're talking about is appealing. You just need to have confidence.

pretty or not is independent... different people view and rate it differently... girl who not willing to learn is worst... compare to those not intelligence...
for me, as previous post mentioned, intelligence women will attract more people... pretty is temporary how ever the intelligence will last long... so, you wish to have a temporary relationship or last long relationship?? you can make your own decision...

it is as it is. get with it.

Okay, I actually talked about this topic with my friend once. And one way that you can look at it is that society looks up to these people who are practically made of plastic. However, the other side of the coin is...what are they talking about when they come up in conversation? Most are talking about how Snooki (sp?) is off doing something stupid to piss off the Italians or how Brad and Angelina are off again/on again/screwing polar bears/whatever the hell they do, Brittney Spears is just an insult to the human race, and Justin Bieber is a plague from another planet.... Most of the time, celebrities, while discussed as being "hot" or "sexy" are talked about as idiots who do stupid, reckless things just to make the next cover of the tabloids. And the other half of the time that they're not being discussed for that, they're being talked about with how people just want them for some physical fun- nothing more. Now, doesn't that seem a little silly? Wouldn't you want to be known as the girl who you can relate to and can have an intelligent conversation with? Or would you rather be the girl that every guy wants to hook up with and then leave behind, only talking about you as either a physical fantasy, a bedroom accomplishment, or about what foolish choices you'd make? I know I wouldn't, if I were you. Yes, a lot of society is following the media and making people compete with unrealistic views about what our bodies should look like, but that doesn't mean we're all doing it.

All I'm trying to say is that you're not the only one out there, and every time a guy shoots you down and turns away, just remember that he wasn't the right guy for you anyway. Not because you're not good enough but because he's not good enough to see that getting to know you is worth it. A guy like that is shallow and basing an entire relationship off of sex, and he's going to wind up miserable and with someone he can't even talk to once he grows old. But you're the girl that's going to wind up with a man who you can talk to about absolutely anything and grow old with who will still find you just as beautiful when you're in a nursing home. He's out there, OP. Just remind yourself that the ones who are being shallow by walking away are doing you a favor. You're going to find Mr. Right.

Hope this helps some.

Look OP, society is as it is. Get with it, and learn to handle it.

lol.. Why the hell should society change on your account?

I believe there's someone for everyone.
I'm sometimes amazed at the people who end up married......


I don't think being smart will hold you back.
Learn how to use your big brain to increase your social standing with men.

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Originally Posted by academicgirl [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

That's the general message I get from today's society:

"It doesn't matter how intelligent you are, there's no point to it if you're not pretty".

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And? it is as it is.

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It seems at the end of the day, no matter how "perfect" you are in other areas, if you're not pretty or you do not live up the expectations of the other sex; then it will seem people will just criticise you.

It's sad that society has come to a point where sexiness is more important than intelligence or whatever you want to call it. You know what I mean.

It's sad that society has more respect for people like Cheryl Cole, Angelina Jolie, Kim Kardashian or whatever than scientists, engineers and the like.

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Looks are part of life. get over it.

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Originally Posted by academicgirl [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

That's the general message I get from today's society:

"It doesn't matter how intelligent you are, there's no point to it if you're not pretty".

It seems at the end of the day, no matter how "perfect" you are in other areas, if you're not pretty or you do not live up the expectations of the other sex; then it will seem people will just criticise you.

It's sad that society has come to a point where sexiness is more important than intelligence or whatever you want to call it. You know what I mean.

It's sad that society has more respect for people like Cheryl Cole, Angelina Jolie, Kim Kardashian or whatever than scientists, engineers and the like.

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With guys all they really need is confidence and something to show career wise and worth. With women yes it's looks with some kind of mental substance. It has nothing to do with "today's sexist society" this is bred into us genetically. Guys are very visual creatures....and women know this and have learned to work with it.....it's no wonder the cosmetics and fashion industry is worth billions. Women don't have to be model pretty to get a man tho so stop being bitter about the attention pretty girls get....you cannot change that, it's just the way life is and will always be.

Confidence doesn't mean shit if a guy isn't cool.

I don't see 'society' having more respect for those you list (I don't know who Cheryl Cole is, Kardashians are only good to laugh at and Jolie - well she's just an actor). Given that you only know the intellectual preferences of those around you, your comments make me wonder what type of idiots you hang out with. Me? I don't know anyone who respects beauty.

Perhaps you should learn to take a wider view of the world before using broad statements such as 'society'

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Originally Posted by YoungCosmo [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Confidence doesn't mean shit if a guy isn't cool.

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Oh, quiet, pip-squeak. You actually got sex from a girl, so your argument is invalid.

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Originally Posted by YoungCosmo [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Confidence doesn't mean shit if a guy isn't cool.

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or if a guy still cares about being such, or other pop-culture derived bullshit.

Agree with most you are wrong intelligence is an attractive quality.

physical beauty will get me to talk to you, but if you have nothing smart to add to a conversation, then i'll slowly start to lose interest, and wonder how anyone will find you Interesting.

Not being physically attractive can actually be a blessing in disguise! You might not get many men after you but the ones you get will be quality because he wouldn't be shallow.

Thanks for your responses.

But every woman knows that, regardless of all her other achievements, she is a failure if she is not beautiful :(

there are instances where I think "what's the use with being academic".

Confidence goes a long way.

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Originally Posted by devilish [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Confidence goes a long way.

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But then I hear guys going "there's not point if a girl is confident if they're not hot."

Or even worse: "I am offended if an ugly, but confident girl, came up to me. As if she thought I had a chance with her!"

You're confusing respect with fame.

Oh really?

Guys actually just gush over hot girls (literally may I add) in such a way where you can define it to be "respect".

Attractiveness is relative. I could find a man drop dead gorgeous, and you could find him repulsive. Different people are attracted to different things.

Keep in mind that society also respects Brad Pitt and David Beckham more than Richard Feynman or Steven Pinker.

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Originally Posted by riseandfall [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Keep in mind that society also respects Brad Pitt and David Beckham more than Richard Feynman or Steven Pinker.

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ummmm....why would one respect a movie star? Would like to see your evidence that "society respects Brad Pitt"

David Beckham on the other hand makes a good role model in terms of his leadership and sportsmanship, so yeah - I can see why he's respected.

Not sure why I should necessarily respect an academic.

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Originally Posted by riseandfall [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Keep in mind that society also respects Brad Pitt and David Beckham more than Richard Feynman or Steven Pinker.

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I know, it's quite sad. The world could happily do without Beckham, but Feynman has influenced the world in so many ways.