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Roman Reigns is gonna beat Brock Lesnar.
As sad as it sounds, John Cena's match with The Undertaker could be off now. :(
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Roman Reigns is gonna beat Brock Lesnar.
As sad as it sounds, John Cena's match with The Undertaker could be off now. :(
That would have been my guess too. (Regarding the Reigns vs. Lesnar match, that is.) I was surprised that they actually went with Lesnar winning. I was sure they were going to cram Roman down our throats again even though nobody has wanted him in the main event for years. They just keep refusing to listen. I am not a Roman fan, but I don't quite get the level of hate he gets either. ....But the fact is that so many of the fans do NOT want to see him in that spot. After so many disastrous attempts, when are they going to take a hint? Don't get me wrong. The fans can't always get what they want. The fans don't ALWAYS know best. ...But when somebody who is supposed to be your top good guy is getting these kind of reactions and you just refuse to listen... that shows that you don't care at all what your fans think.
Thing is, little kids buy all the merch and they are still young enough to generally like anybody WWE tells them to like. So, they'll keep buying Roman's merch so WWE will keep cramming him down everybody's throats. After Wrestlemania I thought "Wow. Well, so maybe they are starting to listen at least SOMEWHAT." ....But no. They probably just did it this way to hype their big even coming up at the end of this month. The cage match where I am sure they will probably have Roman win the title.
As far as the Undertaker.... it isn't like I was 100% sure, but I was pretty darn sure it was going to happen. They hyped it way too much with the whole "Will he respond? Will he just ignore Cena's challenge" stuff. I knew if he wasn't going to be there, they probably wouldn't have even said anything. So I was fairly certain it was happening.
This year's Wrestlemania was interesting. It actually had a lot of enjoyable moments this time around. It had a lot of questionable decisions as well, but that's WWE for you.
Some matches felt rushed, but it was a great show just the same. I really was surprised that Lesnar won, giving all the hearsay that his WWE deal was about to expire. The Ronda Rousey match was the best one on the card. The two battle royals were okay. I got the vibe that they'd try to break a WrestleMania (or general WWE) record by adding that kid as Strowman's partner. Really didn't expect the new Nakamura heel turn, but I like it! It will be interesting to see where they go with the calls-ups to the main roster as well.
I would say my personal biggest complaint is just that there was too much. They try to cram way too much into one show and it just goes on for way too long. It would be a shame for any of the wrestlers to not be on the show at all, but it frankly could have benefited from at least one or two less matches.
Nakamura's heel turn could be really cool. I still think it is a little weird they went with him losing, but if the heel turn winds up being as awesome as I think it could, then it would ultimately be worth it. Nakamura is definitely capable of making it AWESOME! It's just a matter of whether WWE executes it well. I don't have a lot of faith in them these days in actually building new characters. They never seem to know what to do with anybody who isn't one of their golden boys like Cena or Roman.
I am very curious to see what Rousey will do going forward. Would love to see her as a more regular part of the roster and not just a once in a while kind of attraction. She definitely needs some work on the mic, though. A legitimate bad arse who could probably beat the crap out of most of the men on the roster.... and yet on the mic she was not very believable. But, that can be a hard skill to master. She'll get better with experience.
With Nikki Bella breaking up with John Cena, now would be a great time to make him into a heel for the first time since he was briefly a villain in 2003, and have him go around blaming X, Y and Z for his career slumping at the moment. I'm sure WWE won't even bother doing this at all, though. He's like their golden boy, but I do think he has become so boring, because since when are his matches that entertaining?
A Cena heel turn could be awesome, but I doubt the WWE will ever go for it. I mean, never say never... but he makes too much money for them with the little kiddos. Never mind that the majority of the fans (again, other than the little kiddos) have been sick of him for YEARS. WWE doesn't care. I mean, again. Look at Roman Reigns. They obviously never learned their lesson with Cena in the first place.
The sad thing is they get so obsessed and adamant about pushing their golden boys that so many other talented stars suffer. Look at guys like Bray Wyatt. One of the most interesting and creative new characters to come into the WWE in YEARS.... and they have ruined his credibility so much with so many stop and start pushes, lame angles that wind up going nowhere, and then just basically forgetting about him for long periods of time.
I'd like to say maybe his new thing lately with woken Matt Hardy will go somewhere... but it will probably either last a few months and be forgotten, or last a while but not actually go anywhere.
Tomorrow...WWE has a 50 man Royal Rumble. No women are in it. :P
Why would you have expected any women to be in it? That's pretty rare for WWE. Basically only Chyna and Beth Phoenix have ever entered the men's Royal Rumble. At the most recent regular Royal Rumble (this 50 man one was just a special event) they did have a SEPARATE women's Royal Rumble for the first time. But, with WWE's PG thing these days, I don't find it surprising at all that there were no women in the 50 man Royal Rumble.
I just think women shouldn't be in the same matches. It was good of WWE to introduce more match types for women. I always knew eventually we would get an Elimination Chamber match.
I am a big fan of women's wrestling. So I am very glad they have been featuring them so much more lately. I'm SO happy that they are no longer treated as just eye candy, and that they are no longer referred to as "divas." We've had a women's Hell in a Cell, a women's Money in the Bank ladder match, a women's Elimination Chamber, a women's Royal Rumble. I think it is awesome.
Though it is a shame WWE seems to suffer from the same complete lack of creativity with the women as they do with the men. Seems like they never know what to do with the majority of them either. Let's review the recent history. Names like Sasha Banks and Bailey come to mind. Both of them came onto the main roster with a lot of momentum and fan support. Both were way too quickly given the Women's title rather than given time to chase it for a while. Both then VERY quickly lost the title. I think Sasha's actually held it three times... losing it in her first defense all three times. Then both are basically all but forgotten.
WWE recently debuted two new groups of women. The Riott Squad and Absolution. They come in with a lot of momentum as these dominant groups there to shake things up and kick some butt. ....They very quickly start losing pretty much ALL of their matches making them look like they are not a threat at all. How much longer until all of them are largely forgotten?
God, I miss the days when WWE was actually good at building so many superstars at once that it was insane. Not everybody can be in the main event... but it seemed like almost everybody mattered. These days, I swear it is like they can only focus on the few people they give a crap about and everybody else is mostly forgotten.
I agree that they missed the boat with The Riott Squad and Absolution. They could have added a third member after Paige retired. I don't even know why they are still tagging together. There's a lot of Superstars on Main Event and all that who never appear on Raw or SmackDown much. I'm surprised some people still have a job. I'm even more surprised that Rhyno and Heath Slater are still a team. I don't see Heath getting a push any day soon.
It just baffles my mind. Honestly, I don't think you can find any better an example of how moronic the WWE is than to look at a guy like Zack Ryder. Here's a guy who was toiling away in nothingness, largely forgotten on the WWE roster as though he practically didn't exist.
He starts his own YouTube channel and gets MASSIVELY over with the fans all on his own. All without WWE having to do anything. To the point that LITERALLY the entire crowd seems to be into him/are "Woo woo woo'ing" along with him. I mean, how often does somebody get an ENTIRE crowd behind them like that? How does WWE capitalize on that? They have him win the United States title....and hold it for like a week.
Then they essentially forget about him literally for YEARS. I mean, it was literally years of him losing EVERY match until he finally won the Intercontinental title at Wrestlemania.... then lost it again the very next night on Raw. How in the heck do you not capitalize on somebody who built that kind of popularity, even if they did it on their own somehow?
I also think of a guy like Curt Hawkins. Why did they even bother bringing him back? They hype him up for weeks with his parody of Chuck Norris facts... and when he finally debuts he's basically a glorified jobber. Not like I think Curt Hawkins should be WWE champion or something, but why even bother bringing him back, why bothering hyping his return for WEEKS... if you were just going to do nothing with him?
I like how Viscera was like the new Sexual Chocolate for a while, complete with large pyjamas. Mark Henry deserved at least one brief world title run because of his loyalty to the company. Although even his career was full of awful situations, and Zack Ryder is going nowhere. Backlash is on later!
Mark Henry did actually have a run with the World Heavyweight title for a little bit. Back when they were still using the big gold belt. Frankly, not everybody can necessarily be the main champion (WWE champ, Universal champ, or whatever happens to be the main title or titles of the time). But, to have guys around that you are basically not even bothering to try to give a chance is really just a waste. If a character/wrestler doesn't get over then they don't get over. Then, fine, don't use them as much or even release them. But when you barely use a guy other than to have him constantly lose for YEARS, what exactly do you expect to happen? They never really even gave Zack Ryder a chance.
Mark Henry definitely deserved that World title run for sure. After being around so long and all the awful storylines he suffered through. Yeah, I agree he deserved at least one good run as the top guy.
Brock Lesnar is now the longest reigning modern day champion!
Mostly achieved by barely ever being around, though. Don't get me wrong. I'm a huge Brock Lesnar fan and love him as champ.... but I very much do not love that he disappears sometimes for months at a time, thereby leaving them basically without any main title on Raw. At least with the brand split they still have the WWE title on Smack Down. There was that time recently where they ONLY had the WWE title... and Lesnar was champ and was similarly missing for months at a time. So, that left them without any main title at all during his absences. I may be a bit of a purist, but the main title of the show should be on the majority of your shows, not missing for weeks or even months at a time.Quote:
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I read today that upcoming pay-per-views will be 4 to 5 hours long! :horror:
That's just, a bit too much WWE action for one night. :surprised
UGH! Yeah, absolutely agreed. Mainly, that is because they are doing combined PPVs from now on. Raw and Smack Down both on all the shows. No more two separate shows most months (other than, obviously, for the big shows like Wrestlemania). So, to compensate for that they are just going to jam pack the shows with way too much, making them pretty hard to sit through if you ask me. Cripes, even for their bigger shows like Wrestlemania my brothers and I find ourselves getting sick of it WAY too early. We catch ourselves being like "Wait.... there's still like 5 matches left! When is this going to END?!" And we are life long wrestling fans. Not good, WWE. Not good.Quote:
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Do you think Kane will be retiring soon, because of his obligations as a politician? He had a tremendous run in WWE back in the glory days of the WWF. These days, he has no direction left to go in. The Kane character really serves little purpose these days other than to squash somebody, then vanish again for a year.
Maybe, maybe not. I forget, is he currently running or did the campaign end yet? If it is already over, did he win? Because, if he wins I'm sure he will probably be a lot less active in WWE. He'll have other responsibilities. Either way, I'm sure Kane is probably at a point in his career where he won't be AS active, but he strikes me as one of the kind of guys we will always see pop in from time to time. So, even if his political career doesn't take off, he'll probably not be on ALL the time (at least not for much longer) but I bet we'll see him pop in now and then. He's always been one of my favorites.
I think he won it. I agree. Kane has done LOADS for the company and deserves one last title run with a new, more "fired up" gimmick, because some may argue he went "soft" with all these 'face' tag team partners over these last several years. Although that run as Team Hell No with Daniel Bryan was quite hilarious. I'm kind of happy Undertaker isn't saying he's fully retired so he can still do the odd match as long as he is able to. Time takes its toll on a lot of guys, so I can understand why he has been rather limited in the ring, and look at guys like Triple H who can still put on entertaining matches with little build-up as a treat for the fans. His last match with John Cena was pretty decent, but not being advertised all that much, so these matches can still be good.
If Kane won the election, I sort of doubt he'll have another title run. Especially not with a more dominant gimmick. Not only would that not look all the great for his political career, but also why risk injury when he has other responsibilities?
I agree that is character was often softened up too much. Though, I will say that was somewhat a matter of necessity. Characters have to evolve and change over time. So, he couldn't always be exactly the same. I've enjoyed most of his character developments even when he was a bit of a softer character. Though, I have to admit that I have two personal favorite times in his career. The early parts of his career when he was an unstoppable monster is one. The other is early into his first time unmasking. Not the very first few weeks. That they royally screwed up if you ask me. But, once they settled into what his character would be without a mask I LOVED it. Like when he'd be led to the ring in chains. Or when everybody was deathly afraid to face him. I loved that period of his character.
Undertaker is my all time favorite... so I do like seeing him pop in from time to time as well. But, honestly, I have to admit that part of me wishes he would just retire from in ring action. I love the Undertaker... but for YEARS now he's just not had it anymore. With opponents like CM Punk he's able to hide it a bit and still have an amazing match. With guys like Brock Lesnar, who just wrestles such a vicious physical type of match, it is much more obvious. Not only that, but I do NOT want to see him add any further Wrestlemania losses, so he needs to just retire before that happens. LOL! It should have ended with one loss. Heck, maybe even zero. Maybe Lesnar shouldn't have even beaten him, but Roman certainly should never have been given that honor.
Do you play the games by 2K? I think they suck. When they were put out by THQ years ago, you could at least reverse holds. In these newer ones, you can hardly move, so you can never get a move in often. I'll say one thing. The roster and DLC is also overly hyped. But the game has an impressive roster of main current stars, and legends. Just that the game itself is rushed and not really any different each year.
I don't agree with not being able to get a move in. I play the games every year. Have for a LONG time. Since the PS1 days, basically. So, I've actually currently been playing WWE 2K18 for months and I never have any problem winning.
I happen to think the games are great (especially coming from the perspective of a guy who remembers playing games where Undertaker shot ghosts at his opponents and Goldust pulled a giant mallet out fo nowhere to hit them).... but definitely 100% agree that they are too similar every year. They don't change enough, improve enough, or add enough new feature/modes. In fact, often times they make things so much worse that used to be good. The "career" mode in the past two games has been awful. Largely in part because, instead of being a separate thing all to its own... they basically EXACTLY mimic universe mode in all that happens in the career mode.
To me, the fun of career mode is to have stories and that sort of thing. Not to just do basically exactly everything I can already do in Universe Mode. They need a good career mode. I love the idea that you go through it as a created wrestler so it is like you really are taking them through their whole career.... but there needs to be more engaging story lines to it like games of the past.
I will say, though, the graphics do seem to get better and better each year. I was even recently comparing some of the same created wrestlers I make every year even just between 2K17 and 2K18. Last year the skin tones still looked kind of painted on. Like, too perfect, all one color. This year you can see actual texture, and veins, and freckles, and creases/wrinkles, etc. I'm waiting for the time it finally gets to a point where they are virtually indistinguishable from an actual person. LOL!
I used to play WWF Attitude a lot in the early noughties, and loved the CAW mode that the game has. Now even Soul Calibur and Tekken does it too. But I've not been a big fighting game fan for a few decades, because I am too wired into survival horror type games, although even that slips off my popularity radar, thanks to Capcom just releasing so much nonsense for a quick dollar. :D
i like wwe. i am fan or Roman Empire
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i just want Under Tekar in Wrestlemania.
I just read that Brock Lesnar isn't defending the title until SummerSlam! :astonish:
I actually forgot I have been playing for much longer than I said initially. I have been playing basically since the NES and Sega Genesis days. Now THOSE were awful games. LOL! But, at the time we didn't know better so we loved them anyway.
I have to admit that it has been so long I can barely remember the CAW mode from WWF Attitude. But I definitely like the current CAW mode much better these days. It has improved so much over the years. Again, they are getting so good. They look so close to real life these days.
So... wait... Roman actually has fans?! LOL! But, seriously... I'm not a Roman Reigns fan myself... though I never really understood why the fans in general hate him so much either. ...BUT, by the very fact that so many do I think WWE needs to wake the Hell up and stop forcing him down people's throats. Heck, maybe turn him heel and let him have fun with that for a while. Then maybe the fans will turn around on him. Worked for the Rock. Imagine if they had decided "Naw, people will love him. We're going to keep him as the smiling goofus Rocky Maivia. No way we are turning him heel. They'll just have to accept him eventually." LOL!
Bumping for Peter in case he still wants discussion in here.
I read that they want to do two WrestleMania events now, kind of like how they did the Greatest Royal Rumble like that. The second one may occur in October of 2019.
Wait, what? Seriously? That's stupid. That'd be like doing two Super Bowls in one year or having Christmas twice a year. WrestleMania is supposed to be THE big event of the year. Randomly just slapping another one in the middle of the year makes it seem less special.
I think that Greatest Royal Rumble was just a special event. I don't think they necessarily have any intention of making that a regular thing. I mean, I could be wrong, but I got the impression it was just a special one time deal. Mainly just to do something special because they were going to Saudi Arabia.
Yeah. I read about it on gerweck.net, and I think making every pay-per-view 4 hours long is too much. I could hardly stand it for 3 hours at times. I really hate months where you get two back to back shows, because you know one will be mostly just for filler purposes. You rarely get any new title changes, unless it's a new show they have introduced. Then they may do a title switch so that it feels 'historic' to WWE management. But I feel like the feuds are all the same now. They just recycle it all.
Yeah, the brand split is really killing things. Having two shows most months (other than when they had the big events and therefore both brands were on one show) was just too much. Especially as most of them wound up not being interesting enough.
So, great that they decided to go with all PPVs being co-branded now. ....But not so great that they decided to make them all super long to fill it. Honestly, even WrestleMania itself gets brutal to watch with how super long it is, and that is THE big event of the year. EVERY monthly PPV being that long? Ugh! No, thank you.
Jeff Hardy...one of the best wrestlers ever...just got slaughtered by Shinsuke Nakamura!
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Well, case in point, I didn't bother watching this time. Was it sort of a squash match? That is kind of a shame if that was the case just because could you imagine the AMAZING match Jeff Hardy and Shinske Nakamura could have given the opportunity? So it would be a shame if they had the chance and made it just a squash match.
I will say this, though, I don't really think it could hurt Jeff any. He's Jeff freaking Hardy. At this point, he really doesn't need any help. WWE could push him at any time and it would probably work. So, if anything, it is good for Shinske. Especially considering the multi-month program he just got out of with AJ in which he lost every time. Shinske sort of needed a big win.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for longer lasting storylines. It is nice when there can be ongoing stories rather than everything changing so rapidly. But I've never been a big fan of having the same two wrestlers facing each other again and again and again, month after month. Especially when it is for a title. Not only does it start to get old and you want to see new matches.... but I don't see how it makes sense as a story.
Like with the AJ/Shinske program for example. After Shinske lost several matches to AJ and failed to win the WWE title you kind of paint yourself into a corner. The conclusion winds up being either A) Shinske never wins and therefore comes out of the feud looking kind of weak for it. B) Shinske finally wins.... but it looks like he needed several attempts just to do it. How does that make him look a worthwhile champion? Oh, wow! He beat AJ for the title.....after AJ beat him like 8 times already. Don't get me wrong. I get it is all pre-determined and more entertainment than any kind of actual competition... but the goal is still to make it somewhat realistic. I sort of miss the old days where a champ would have a rivalry with a challenger for a bit... it would head off at the big PPV match... and then whichever person won, they'd move on to face the next challenger instead of just facing the same guy over and over and over.
Basically, the referee went to put the title to the side and Shinsuke did a low blow to Hardy, which seems to be his top move these days. The referee only saw Hardy writhing in pain. Hardy agreed to proceed. As soon as the bell rang, Shinsuke hit that running knee charge he does and pinned him. After that, Orton returned and did a low blow to Hardy with his foot as he lay in the ring. None of the matches were all that memorable. :bored:
Sadly, that is generally my opinion of WWE as a whole these days. Mostly nothing is all that memorable. There are a few gems here and there, but not much. What's worse, WWE can't seem to get their crap straight in the rare few times they actually have something good. Either they abandon it almost immediately so it never gets a chance to take off... or they cram it down our throats so much we get sick of it.Quote:
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I hate sounding like an old man :lol: but I miss the good old days of the Attitude era when almost everything on both Raw and Smack Down was basically can't miss.
Brock Lesnar is actually a formidable force in WWE. They play that for all it's worth. That's why he rarely appears on TV, because they want him to come across as a jerk that just does what pleases him, so I like that aspect of him, even if his career is looking like he is a lazy champion. I've never seen him wrestle on any of the flagship shows since he returned in 2012, though. :upset:
Honestly, I'm a big Brock Lesnar fan. I even really like him as WWE or Universal Champion. Heck, I even agree with you about him being a special attraction. As in not on every single show all the time. It's just... I'm not so keen on that when somebody is the main champion. They should at least be on most shows. Sometimes it seems like Lesnar is gone for months. Fine if he wasn't champion, but with him as the main champ of Raw it basically leaves Raw without a real main event program for months at a time.
I do like the idea of having Brock Lesnar only on from time to time, I just wish he was on more frequently when he is champion. Once they get the championship on somebody else, he can go back to only appearing here and there and it actually will help make him feel that much more special.
First ever women's event announced for October: WWE Evolution.
What an original name!