Debates: A Holistic Perspective...

[G-TEX]

Shit I'm so slow at this forum thing ! (

[indigosoul]

I know everything about lost potential, I tried to argue it on my Philo 101 paper. it also fails under the fact that, whocares what the potential is? why should I care?, fact is that it doesnt matter. Allow me to post the entire god damn reply first lol. A culture could have an opinion that potential of life is equal to shiet, nothing wrong with that.

Actually, I am positive its "dwells".

Ahaha. Sorry, type faster, OV!

Who cares about potential? Well, biology does, for one. That is the whole basis of evolution. A culture COULD believe that the potential of life is shiet, but they would belie such a belief simply by having babies. Show me a culture that DOESN'T and I'll show you one that is extinct.

If you are arguing for nihilism, however, nothing I can say will matter anyway... are you?

[indigosoul]

indigosoul I sad it before, and I'll say it again Thanks !
Though you didn't make me change my mind.

Good heavens. I don't expect to. Only YOU can change your mind. I DID hope to, perhaps, expose you to ideas you maybe hadn't yet considered. But what you do with those ideas is, as with all things, entirely up to you alone. Best.

[vashti]

My post wasn't meant for you.

oops! Sorry - I guess I am a little steamed about this topic. Must be because I am Jewish, and I have no relatives left from my husband's side of the family due to the Holocaust, so to hear someone make such absurd statements about the death of so many people just makes me

OV - I am guessing you didn't get too good a grade in your philosophy class...

[indigosoul]

oops! Sorry - I guess I am a little steamed about this topic. Must be because I am Jewish, and I have no relatives left from my husband's side of the family due to the Holocaust, so to hear someone make such absurd statements about the death of so many people just makes me

This is one of the reasons I am so for the IDEA of _something_ like the UN. No one culture/ppl can be expected to be completely rational in light of their inevitable historical "baggage". Sometimes, that "forward looking" for humanity's sake can be awfully difficult and requires some help. Having said that, I am continually impressed by those I've met (primarily academics) of Jewish and other heritages (Polish, Indian, many others), who despite such history still manage to retain their ability to abstract towards the future.

OV - I am guessing you didn't get too good a grade in your philosophy class...

Ha! Well, Vash, in defense of OV, I almost got kicked out of my philosophical ethics class as a graduate student. Grades in such are largely a reflection of being able to satisfy the instructors ideas of "how things should be". Problem, if your ideas happen to differ...

[RSK]

Where did RSK go??? Its HIS damn thread...

I'm doing something different - I'm Reading the Posts





Half the crap I say will never sink into anyone anyways, especially not on a forum. So I decided to read other posts.

[indigosoul]

I'm doing something different - I'm Reading the Posts

Half the crap I say will never sink into anyone anyways, especially not on a forum. So I decided to read other posts.

So? What about the other half??

Anyway, we did digress away from Cultural Relativism into Moral... sorry. Its funny tho, I was HOPING that (after one my posts about philosophical origins) someone would point out that Boas was a German Jew (it was mostly his students that expanded on the idea, BTW). Interesting, huh?

I did read the medline paper, BTW. What did you think it really was saying, RSK?

[RSK]

So? What about the other half??

Anyway, we did digress away from Cultural Relativism into Moral... sorry. Its funny tho, I was HOPING that (after one my posts about philosophical origins) someone would point out that Boas was a German Jew (it was mostly his students that expanded on the idea, BTW). Interesting, huh?

I did read the medline paper, BTW. What did you think it really was saying, RSK?

it's all about worldviews. the limbas view medicine in ONE way, and the westernized biomedical people, view it another.

it's about patient compliance. how do we treat the limbas for leprosy? well, to me the paper concludes the following:


we must incorporate THEIR understandings of the disease, within the biomedical scope, to better treat them!


For example,

the Limbas delay medical treatment, until later stages of the disease. they also believe that the disease is caused by 'spirits'. this is an example of their worlview, regarding the disease.


now, the westernized biomedical world, can approach the Limbas, and tell them that the 'initiall' red dot (which is the first stage of the disease), is a sign of an evil spirit...



do you see where i am getting at?



NOW, the limbas will BETTER be able to understand this, and get earlier treatment (whereas before, they didn't).

[RSK]

So? What about the other half??

The other half of my post are recycled. Literally.



People copy and paste them onto a doc document, and then print the pages out. they then give the 'manuscript' of...


...'the words of wisdom'...



...to friends and loved ones. some are given as holiday gifts. what's in it for me you ask? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING...

...it's just MY WAY of giving back to the community



and i request everyone, to recycle the papers with my words of wisdom, when they have read them...

...therefore, EVERYBODY is happy



and that's basically what happens to the 'other' half of the crap i write on these forums -

[Only-virgins]

If you are arguing for nihilism, however, nothing I can say will matter anyway... are you?

It has to be present, Nothing matters, How is that not saying that everything is pretty much relative? Everything is. I don't need to show you a culture, I just need you to understand the possibility of ones existance. What are you trying to argue and everyone else? That everything is not relative?...hahahaha you know that is going to fail.

OV - I am guessing you didn't get too good a grade in your philosophy class...

Actually, I got an A. That was long time ago.

[indigosoul]

The other half of my post are recycled. Literally.

People copy and paste them onto a doc document, and then print the pages out. they then give the 'manuscript' of...

...'the words of wisdom'...

...to friends and loved ones. some are given as holiday gifts.
...therefore, EVERYBODY is happy

Cute, RSK.

About the paper... consider this take on it:

The paper was written by ANTHROPOLOGISTS not MDs. It sounds to me like they might be having to convince their medical peers that they might have some insight that is worth listening to...

Taken DIRECTLY from the abstract:

"in short-term research projects there is an advantage to working with an anthropologist who has in-depth knowledge of the culture, but who may not be a specialist in medical anthropology."

Just food for thought.

[Only-virgins]

it's all about worldviews. the limbas view medicine in ONE way, and the westernized biomedical people, view it another.

it's about patient compliance. how do we treat the limbas for leprosy? well, to me the paper concludes the following:
we must incorporate THEIR understandings of the disease, within the biomedical scope, to better treat them!
For example,
the Limbas delay medical treatment, until later stages of the disease. they also believe that the disease is caused by 'spirits'. this is an example of their worlview, regarding the disease.
now, the westernized biomedical world, can approach the Limbas, and tell them that the 'initiall' red dot (which is the first stage of the disease), is a sign of an evil spirit...do you see where i am getting at?
NOW, the limbas will BETTER be able to understand this, and get earlier treatment (whereas before, they didn't).

Can I ask what the point of this is? Medical facts are not morals. What you do right or wrong is as in kill a person or not is not comparable to if the sun is yellow or green.

[RSK]

Cute, RSK.

About the paper... consider this take on it:

The paper was written by ANTHROPOLOGISTS not MDs. It sounds to me like they might be having to convince their medical peers that they might have some insight that is worth listening to...

Taken DIRECTLY from the abstract:

"in short-term research projects there is an advantage to working with an anthropologist who has in-depth knowledge of the culture, but who may not be a specialist in medical anthropology."

Just food for thought.

you are right. the paper IS by an anthropologist. i'm sure phsycians have a lot to learn from them. in fact, the med school at my university, requires med students to take the SAME class that i took, when i had to study the paper...

...interesting, huh? but the professor told me, that the med students take the class as a joke!

lol, nice editing........... indi, what is your story? tell me please

[indigosoul]

It has to be present, Nothing matters, How is that not saying that everything is pretty much relative? Everything is. I don't need to show you a culture, I just need you to understand the possibility of ones existance. What are you trying to argue and everyone else? That everything is not relative?...hahahaha you know that is going to fail.

Actually, I happen to agree w/you that everything is relative. And more than that, that it is contextual. But that is NOT the same as saying that nothing matters. Relative differences of opinion don't cancel each other out, any more than our arguments here are cancelled out. We will choose the argument that best fits the context of our environment and beliefs, which goes DIRECTLY back to RSKs original post, BTW.

[indigosoul]

........... indi, what is your story? tell me please

Sorry, RSK, what are you asking? My background? There's plenty enough on here to figure out most if you wish. And a little bit of mystery never hurt anyone