Debates: A Holistic Perspective...

[indigosoul]

That's a nice way to spin it! I would have used the word "inflammatory" to describe OVs posts. Anyway, I think it would be helpful if he tried to be a bit more articulate and less inflammatory.

Mmmm. Finesse in argument is an acquired skill, I agree. Requires a presence of mind regarding ones goal as well as experience on what works and what doesn't. Practice makes perfect, tho, and some are just a little farther ahead on that particular curve than others, is all.

Miso, your comment is true. Not surprising in the slightest. Sometimes, tho, I wish that I _were_ surprised a little more. I have to constantly remind myself NOT to become a cynic...

[vashti]

I think the only reason some people are shocked is because the Palestinian people stand to lose so much economic aid because of this election.

[misombra]

that's true.

[vashti]

I am hoping that Hamas will find itself forced more to the center. That is what has happened to all the Israeli hard-liners who have been elected: they have had to move to the center to be taken seriously and to make any diplomatic progress...

[misombra]

i think, as is their nature, they'll make it look like they're going to disarm, and they'll just keep their little attacks on the low.

[vashti]

i think, as is their nature, they'll make it look like they're going to disarm, and they'll just keep their little attacks on the low.

Well, lets hope they are on vacation when I go to Israel this summer...

[misombra]

lol i have a friend (from here) that just joined the israeli army. fun, eh? i would LOVE to visit.

[vashti]

I am going with a group of 50 (taking my daughter, too). I am looking forward to it, but I am still a little nervous about going. I will do it, though, unless things get so bad that the trip is cancelled. I am going to take Xanax on the flight and drink vodka. That should keep me happy. I wish I could get a martini, though.

[misombra]

you could just take that with you on the plane lol.

[RSK]

once, when i flew internationally, i kept drinking heiniken (it was an 8+ hour flight), and i got so wasted, to the point that the air hostes wouldn't give me anymore...

...i passed out.

[misombra]

they probably didn't tell you this but you also threw up on the person next to you.

[vashti]

I wish I could do that, but I can't in front of my daughter...

EDIT: haha - misombra's post beat mine. This was supposed to be in response to RSK...

[RSK]

they probably didn't tell you this but you also threw up on the person next to you.

lol..

....actually, i was sitting next to a distant cousin. i hardly knew the guy. he must have been like, "i'm related to this guy?"


i kept leaning over his shoulder, and used it as a headrest, he must have felt wierd.

[misombra]

oh that's right. you're gonna have a GREAT time. i've never been there but my friend tells me all about how awesome it is.

[Only-virgins]

Mmmm. Finesse in argument is an acquired skill.

Actually, it is just making the premises lead to a valid conclusion while making sure the entire argument is sound.

LF people's logic:

Premise A: People who talk to much are dumb.
Premise B: LF people talk to much.
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Conclusion C: LF people are dumb

Valid? Yes...sound? no, People put up some good valid arguments here but they are using "feelings" (like calling me coldblooded). The fact that feelings are relative and subjective make it all not sound. I put up an argument and at the end same thing happens as always, and thats people resorting to calling my posts out of "wack" and calling me a kid.

Some times the purpose of people like me is to simply show the other side, to provide evidence of it's existance.