Debates: A Holistic Perspective...

[vashti]

I put up an argument and at the end same thing happens as always, and thats people resorting to calling my posts out of "wack" and calling me a kid.

If the same thing is always happening, maybe you ought to consider that everyone else has a point?

[G-TEX]

Some times the purpose of people like me is to simply show the other side, to provide evidence of it's existance.

May I ask You a question, Do You like Half-Live 2 ?? (I'm serious)
Or maybe how Much do You like HL ?

[Only-virgins]

If the same thing is always happening, maybe you ought to consider that everyone else has a point?

Insults never have a point except to be an excuse for losing an argument.

May I ask You a question, Do You like Half-Live 2 ?? (I'm serious)
Or maybe how Much do You like HL ?

I don't understand your question. Yea, I like Half life 2.

[alice]

Insults never have a point except to be an excuse for losing an argument.

1. it wasn't an insult but a queation.
2. who has lost what argument?

[G-TEX]

Forget it , I like HL too.

[RSK]

Forget it , I like HL too.

how is life in latvia?

[G-TEX]

how is life in latvia?

What does that suppose to mean ?
You askin for real ?

[Only-virgins]

Lay of the crack pipe G-tex, lol.

[MVPlaya]

You aren't seriously going to argue that if a culture begins murdering its own people, that would be okay, are you?

Of course not, the only people who would even mention that are people who instantly jump towards the most retarded offense against cultural relativism. Seriouly, are you retarded? Here's a counter conondrum, is it justified if I kill every person on the planet who has AIDS, some 500 million people, because it is, on net-balance, an overall saving of lives due to the AIDS that doesn't spread?

We can all think of retarded extremes, Vashti. If you want to have a real discussion, try and let go of them.

MVP - Why would that be ironic? To adopt a set of philosophical principles, one would most likely have to have been exposed to them, and that normally happens through cultural experiences, don't you think?

The funny part is that cultural relativism holds that different cultures have different deontological frameworks, people who disagree with cultural relativism believe that ALL cultures should share THEIR deontological framework.

Anyway, although I tend to be more of a fan of Kant as far as philosophical views than cultural relativism, I did state above that for the most part, cultural relativism works. I have yet to study a philosophy that doesn't have at least one glaring problem with it.

The definition of philosophy is glaring problems. But genocide is not something that is even remotely related to cultural relativism. If you adopt a non-culturally relative framework, you can be just as likely to be a Nazi. In fact, the Nazi's are the opposite of culturally relativist, since they believe their culture is superior to all and that other cultures must be exterminated.

People who make these attacks against cultural relativism never bother to understand the most simple underlying principle of cultural relativism: autonomy. Cultural relativism holds that no one can understand what is truly right and wrong, only that different people/groups have different ideologies. In order to have a functioning world, we need to respect or 'let live' other ideologies. This does not mean that if they begin destroying other cultures that it is justified because they believe in it, in fact, that would be the opposite since their beliefs fracture cultural relativism and destroy the autonomy that is key to having any discourse.

And before someone starts asking retarded hypotheticals regarding autonomy: autonomy is the right to self-determination and self-action, it is not the right to deny/steal these from others. I.e., your right to swing your first ends where my nose begins.

-MV

[RSK]

What does that suppose to mean ?
You askin for real ?

i completely forgot about this, yeah i'm asking for real....

...(if you don't mind)


sorry for post blocking MVP...


(please read his post above mine)

[G-TEX]

hey got lost here ! lol LF is HUGE !
We really should make that international tread thing ! so I can tell You (RSK) about Latvia , and Guys can tell me about America , England , France , and other places.

[Mish]

Wow, so much has happened since the last time I was here

the death of 12 million people during WWII

The actual figure is approximated around 62 Million deaths



German losses sustained at the Eastern Front were at a 90% mark, painting US and Britain as sole victors of the war as nothing but a myth. However it's always funny to watch an odd US citizen make a comment like "If it wasn't for us you'd all be wearing swastikas" Though Saving Private Ryan was a great movie!!



Interesting post MV

[vashti]

Damn, who bumped this stupid thread?

Mishayna - I should have been more explicit in stating 12 million civilians were executed by the Nazis. Anyway, I am guessing you knew that was what I meant.

MVP - I would love to continue arguing with you, but I am too busy at the moment, and frankly bored with this topic already.

[Mish]

Mishayna - I should have been more explicit in stating 12 million civilians were executed by the Nazis. Anyway, I am guessing you knew that was what I meant.

7 to 17 Million civilians are estimated to have been killed during WW2 in the Soviet Union Alone. But it's okay, I agree with the point you were making

[Only-virgins]

Saying that what the Nazi people did was wrong is like saying "BOO NAZI STUFF". While I also personally think it was bad and I say boo nazis, I at least dont kidd myself and lie to myslef by thinking that it is anything more then opinion.