Shooting Amish People

[Gigabitch]

With a semi-automatic or an automatic?

I would shoot you with a rubber band and run away, hoping you'd chase me.

[Junket]

It seems this argument has strayed from "more gun control/less gun control", to what sounds like "everybody needs a gun/nobody should have a gun".

I have not proposed that everybody needs a gun, I've been making the argument that everybody should have the right to own one if they so choose to. And that the goverment cannot revoke that right.

It is not a privilege, it is a right.

The government trying to confiscate legal weapons is an act of illegal hostility and is grounds for a person to legally defend themselves, if they so choose.

[King Zarathu]

It seems this argument has strayed from "more gun control/less gun control", to what sounds like "everybody needs a gun/nobody should have a gun".

I have not proposed that everybody needs a gun, I've been making the argument that everybody should have the right to own one if they so choose to. And that the goverment cannot revoke that right.

It is not a privilege, it is a right.

The government trying to confiscate legal weapons is an act of illegal hostility and is grounds for a person to legally defend themselves, if they so choose.

Why the **** would anybody want a gun? "lol ima go shootin teh birds"

I would shoot you with a rubber band and run away, hoping you'd chase me.

Can we be like squirrels in the spring?

[Gigabitch]

Why the **** would anybody want a gun? "lol ima go shootin teh birds"


Can we be like squirrels in the spring?

Not in Texas, apparently.

[Junket]

Why the **** would anybody want a gun? "lol ima go shootin teh birds"

Why would anybody wanna wear a condom?

[vashti]

Frasbee, your argument assumes I might be offended that the government took people's guns away. I am not - not in the least.

Most people who are hurt with firearms are law abiding citizens or their children. Therefore, they shouldn't have them, and again, I disagree that people have a right to have them.

[Junket]

Frasbee, your argument assumes I might be offended that the government took people's guns away. I am not - not in the least.

Most people who are hurt with firearms are law abiding citizens or their children. Therefore, they shouldn't have them, and again, I disagree that people have a right to have them.

So if you think people shouldn't have a right to firearms, how would you suggest people would have a privilege to it?

I've presented my argument over and over, with little response from you or Durden in almost complete disregard for the viability of my argument commenting "no that's silly, people shouldn't have guns"

[vashti]

Sorry, I don't understand your question. Can you re-phrase it?

[King Zarathu]

Why would anybody wanna wear a condom?

Because it prevents you from being stuck with the responsibility of a child, among other reasons. I still look better in a suit.

[Junket]

Sorry, I don't understand your question. Can you re-phrase it?

If you think people shouldn't have a right to firearms, how would you suggest people would have a privilege to it? Or how would one qualify to own a firearm?

Because it prevents you from being stuck with the responsibility of a child, among other reasons.

Exactly, it's a precaution.

Just like a gun is. 'Cept guns can be a fun leisure activity with one's friends.

Just as condom can be used during a "fun leisure activity" with one's "friends".

[vashti]

Let's put it this way. Careful reading of the constitution allows for private ownership of firearms CONDITIONAL upon belonging to a militia (which nowadays would be akin to law enforcement or military).

I don't think having guns is a right at all, and I don't think that people who do not belong to either law enforcement or the military ought to have guns, unless they live in an area where animals are a threat or if they hunt for food, and then, only rifles, no handguns.

I think the reason people are allowed to have guns is because the politicians are owned by the gun lobby, or at least enough of them are that we will never get them off the street.

[Junket]

Let's put it this way. Careful reading of the constitution allows for private ownership of firearms CONDITIONAL upon belonging to a militia (which nowadays would be akin to law enforcement or military).

I don't think having guns is a right at all, and I don't think that people who do not belong to either law enforcement or the military ought to have guns, unless they live in an area where animals are a threat or if they hunt for food, and then, only rifles, no handguns.

I think the reason people are allowed to have guns is because the politicians are owned by the gun lobby, or at least enough of them are that we will never get them off the street.

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

I understand how you came to the interpretation.

But it is written in such a vague way that my argument that individuals should also have the right to arms is equally viable.

a body of citizens organized in a paramilitary group and typically regarding themselves as defenders of individual rights against the presumed interference of the federal government.

This is one of the definitions accroding to dictionary.com as to what a militia is. And modern militias do exist.

[vashti]

And modern militias do exist.

Yes, but they are widely considered nuts.

[King Zarathu]

But it is written in such a vague way that my argument that individuals should also have the right to arms is equally viable.

You're completely off-track. Don't make me break apart that bolded and italicized quote for you.

This is one of the definitions accroding to dictionary.com as to what a militia is. And modern militias do exist.

This proved nothing.

[Junket]

You're completely off-track. Don't make me break apart that bolded and italicized quote for you.


This proved nothing.

Go ahead Vashbitch, break it apart.

I was insinuating by that militia definition that a there are militias outside of what Vash is referring to (being the modern US federal military).