finally ordered my new laptop!

[anachronistic]

Keep this thread updated. I need to upgrade from my G4 iBook (which I'll prbly give to my son). Want to know if there are any problems.

Which OS version is your iBook running? Still Tiger? I heard Leopard isn't going to be released until October... think I'll wait for it until then.

Problems with what? Upgrading from G4 iBook to a Macbook Pro with the smallest configurations is like going from bicycle to car.

My iBook is running 10.4.3, it works okay, except it takes about 6-7 minutes to boot up. I will probably wait a little while before leopard comes out, unless it's required by my college. I would be afraid to run leopard on a G4.

hey that's great! enjoy it while it's still all clean and perfect.



what are you on drugs? if I wanted a mirror instead of a monitor, I would go to the bathroom instead.

If I wanted to be blinded by the light behind me every time I open my laptop, I'd buy a flashlight instead.

If I wanted my graphic works to look deceptively great on my display yet look like shit on every other display, I'd play with the display setting in instead.

If I wanted to not accurately see the effects of making levels, curves and selective colour adjustments to a photo, I would wear dark glasses while editing my photos instead.

If I wanted to be unable to sit out on the patio with my laptop because there is too much light, I'd get a basement and become a sun-allergic nerd instead.

If I wanted to be distracted by seeing my groggy face at 4 AM instead of seeing the essay i'm trying to work on, I'd.. well, I guess I really would have to buy something with a glossy screen.

hate. hate hate! stupid glossy screens. oh i'm sure i'd get used to it eventually.. but I had a long conversation about this with a fellow designer- who actually paid to REPLACE the display with a matte one. stupid. I want to smack someone.

This is what we faithful apple users get for attracting non-designery windows users to switch to macs. What are they gravitating to the glossy displays going "ooo.. shiny.. Ooh, photos look better on this monitor!" yayy! yes, they do look 'better', same as many home printers make photos look 'better' because it isn't accurate... guhhh..

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What the **** is wrong with you? The glossy screen is easier on my eyes. My eyes aren't straining right now like they would be with a CRT monitor or an older style of LCD.

Also if you're calling me a non-designing Windows user, you're completely wrong.

Call me an idiot, but it's easier to see it outside than your matte screen, and this is coming from a partially blind 'sun-allergic nerd'

Not only that, but glossy screens display color more accurately than the LCD of any other monitor I've seen. Your 'matte' screens are slightly brighter and more off color, and I have done tests on that. I was worried that I would not like it at first, but I am surprised with it, and I read some reviews.

STFU about windows or whatever. The only thing I have been using windows for is old vergeC programming tools that are not available for any other operating system known to man. I've never really been dedicated to one operating system entirely; I learned how to use a computer on a command line Apple computer, 7 years later my family bought a computer with windows 98, and i learned more with that. later on we upgraded to xp, and eventually i got my own laptop, tried out linux and loved it. this was simultaneous to when i started working at this current job, where i used computers with panther on them. then i was issued at work ibook g4 with tiger on it, and now i have my own macbook pro, triple booting osx ubuntu and an old windows system that i am using for vergeC development.

i probably know a lot more about computers than you do because i have experienced different systems, etc.

before you go yacking anymore about windows, take some time to learn about about other operating systems, how mac and windows and linux ALL derived from different systems of unix, so stop making a big fricken deal about it.

So... close... to pressing the report button.

[Jimmy1218]

It would be awesome if Windows could run on MAC computers.

[jurupa]

It would be awesome if Windows could run on MAC computers.

Uh I believe Windows XP can with special software.

So... close... to pressing the report button.

Lilwing why are you get so dam defensive about Tiay's post. Its Tiay's opinion and a rant to say the least.

[Tiay]

woah, I made wing explode.

dude, I wasn't referring to you. Gimme a little credit here; I know you design websites, in fact I've even said to you that I envy your job! I know you know how to code and in know in depth stuff about computers in general. In fact I basically agree with a lot of your opinions on the subject, which is great because now I'm less nervous about having to inevitably upgrade to something that might have a glossy screen.

I was referring to your typical windows user, who is basically scared of their computer and cannot trouble-shoot it themselves. The type of user that I believe apple has been 'dumbing' itself down for. Ie, "it just works!".

Anyway, I was half joking, I think it's great that more people are buying macs these days 'cos it means they wont go bankrupt...

thanks Aeg

[anachronistic]

woah, I made wing explode.

dude, I wasn't referring to you. Gimme a little credit here; I know you design websites, in fact I've even said to you that I envy your job! I know you know how to code and in know in depth stuff about computers in general. In fact I basically agree with a lot of your opinions on the subject, which is great because now I'm less nervous about having to inevitably upgrade to something that might have a glossy screen.

I was referring to your typical windows user, who is basically scared of their computer and cannot trouble-shoot it themselves. The type of user that I believe apple has been 'dumbing' itself down for. Ie, "it just works!".

Anyway, I was half joking, I think it's great that more people are buying macs these days 'cos it means they wont go bankrupt...

thanks Aeg

Tut mir leid, meine Liebe.

Thought you were at something with me. Anyhow, I agree with that post. I think you will probably like the glossy screen, it really looks great. I really can't see reflections or anything, it's not as annoying as a matte would be outside. matte just absorbs the light making it very difficult to see. or atleast that's what i found.

anyhow, i had the ibook and mbp next to eachother while i was transferring a few files; after working on my mbp for so long, the ibook looks a tad blurry and dark. i'm glad i tried the glossy.

also if you're planning on getting a new computer, you should get the mbp. i am truly amazed at how much faster it runs than the ibook. i thought i was in for a disappointment.

[Tiay]

no prob ^.^

I don't know.. I really hope that it'll be okay with it, as it seems apple have pretty much switched to glossy. fancy that, it's cheaper.

I've seen the glossy displays on my moms and my housemate's macbooks, though, and instantly hated it. Maybe i'd get used to it. I showed my housemate how to shade with dodge and burn, and later I saw it on my display- dull. The glossy didn't show all the detail, it just darkened some areas out, when in fact if you looked at the levels histogram thingie, the image lacked contrast. I just find that REALLY ****ing stupid.

sometimes i'm working on something, and I impulsively move to tuck my hair behind my ear or scratch my nose or something, and the movement reflects in a window, or makes a reflective surface bounce light at me, so I see this unexpected movement in the corner of my eye and get startled- then realise that it was just my own movement that caused it.
And the same thing happens repeatedly, to the point where i'm think "this time i'll catch it.. this time.." and then I get absorbed in what i'm doing of course it catches me again.

the other annoying thing is .. you know the way your eyes re-focus? you can focus on the display, or you can re-focus on the reflection. that weird feeling in the eye-muscles.. it drives me NUTS, and i'm the type who cannot stop *fiddling* with anything. Flip phones, weird optical effects.. I literally can't get to sleep if I know there's a sharp edge to a toenail that should be trimmed, i'm just totally obsessive that way.

I'm afraid if I had a glossy screen I'd be going *focus on display* *reflection* displayreflectiondisplayreflectiondisplayreflectio n- hey, is that a pimple? And then, of course, I'd put the laptop to sleep and use it as a mirror. yeah, I dunno, I think I would go insane.

[Jimmy1218]

I like glossy screens, they seem to have better picture quality...

[Tiay]

I like glossy screens, they seem to have better picture quality...

*sigh*..

see? it looks 'better'. Who cares if it can't show the left half of the levels histogram?

[anachronistic]

tiay it really doesn't effect the contrast of my digital art. my eyes are probably a little more sensitive than yours, i know what you mean with reflection and all but i am trying to look for my reflection right now. i can't see it.

[anachronistic]

I prefer terminals/*nix over cmd.exe. I know more commands in bash, ssh, and a few other shells than i ever will know in DOS.

when i found out there was a terminal in apple, i was simply awestruck! you're right aegis, the unix-base really added a lot to it. if it had not been for that, i might not have gotten a macintosh.

i think everything pre 10.4.4 uses tcsh, but on my mbp, which has 10.4.4, it uses bash.

[anachronistic]

Uh I believe Windows XP can with special software.

i believe this is only so if you wish to run the envoronment in osx. otherwise, grab yourself a booter, like grub.

[Tiay]

tiay it really doesn't effect the contrast of my digital art. my eyes are probably a little more sensitive than yours, i know what you mean with reflection and all but i am trying to look for my reflection right now. i can't see it.

maybe my friends settings were messed up?

Well, maybe me and the glossy will get on after all. I just don't get why they can't offer a matte option, too.

I understand why they gave the new imac what i'm told is basically a glass plate in front of the display, though. 'Cos kids are going to be pointing at the screen with their stupid, chocolate-covered little fingers. god I *hate* it when people of any age do that! My design lecturer once left this giant fatty curve on my ibook display... ugh, I could hardly listen to what he was saying.

It's like watching a parent trying to get a child to be gentle with a cat, and the kid is deciding to beat it instead of stroke it.

odd. When me and my brother were kids, we rarely did this. Sometimes when other kids visited, they would poke their fat little fingers into the screen completely oblivious to the smear left behind. Am I turning into my mom already?

[anachronistic]

Well, maybe me and the glossy will get on after all. I just don't get why they can't offer a matte option, too.

i had a *free* option between matte and glossy for the macbook pro. i don't know what you're talking about.

[Tiay]

I thought that option was only for the MB pro, not the plain old macbook. (Yes, I'm broke.)

What?! Apple is the icon of user-friendly, works-out-of-the-box machinery!

exactly my point. that's why your regular users who want nothing more than to organise photos and send emails and not have to update virus software or stuff like that.. they like the simplified "it just works" type computer.
Me, being a bit more advanced than, say, my mom, but not as knowledgeable as lilwing, I kinda want something not super-simplified but not super-complicated, and I feel that apple is becoming more and more simplified to cater for the 'regular' users.

[Tiay]

even so, people manage to mess it up..

like, get this; my mom went on vacation, and she called my brother all distressed, saying her macbook had died. Just a black screen, no response to anything.

My brother remembered that she'd had this problem before.. and said "try the power key". hey presto. She usually never turns it off.

Another time, I was helping a classmate install something, and it needed her pw. I asked her to type it in. She tried a few times, but it didn't work. I asked how she even managed to log into her account if she doesn't know the password. she shrugged and said that ever since she had it in for repair, she doesn't have to log in- she just clicks the little blue circle in the corner.

i'm thinking.. what the f*ck have you done now, GalMac..?

then I figured... ahhhh, the "blue circle" is the login button. the password was just blank.

Sometimes I really can't comprehend how people can be so.. dumb.