Men Who Earn Less

[Gigabitch]

I wish *I* could have been his assistant.

Bet you would have had your dress dry cleaned.

It bothered me when my boyfriend was making less than me. Now he's making more, and I think we're both more comfortable. If I raked in piles of money, we'd enjoy it, but I think he'd feel emasculated by it, and I might wonder why he didn't keep up.

[DoesntMatter]

Men with potential have goals and plans that are measurable, and they are working towards fulfilling them. Lots of people say "I wanna be successful", but without a realistic plan and intermittent goal setting, coupled with actual hard work (rather than statements), it ain't gonna happen.

I used to think making a good sum of money would get me a girl, but I start to doubt it again. I'm pretty focused on becoming an anesthesiologist like my uncle (if I find out I like that type of stuff through volunteer work), more than halfway through first semester with all As so I can get into med school. Because like 85% of people with a 3.2 GPA or higher here get into med school, which is a really good statistic. The rest just didn't volunteer enough or somehow didn't go well on their MCATs I suppose. Because making $275k a year is quite appealing, but investing it is where the REAL money is made

But I still doubt that that type of money will get you girls. I think you gotta be like Donald Trump or something. Which is a goal to have

But I know about what Vashti is talking about, I remember in high school so many kids would say the dumbest shit like "I want to be a lawyer or doctor or be a millionaire". Great, so how you gonna do that? No plan, they can't even get As in high school, aren't taking hard classes (oh wait, there are none in high school) and do not see the importance is annihilating the competition. So how you gonna reach your goals? They won't. Good, **** them. After exams it feels great to hear kids crying about how much they bombed the test. I love kids who throw the curve down

[Evigan]

I find the answers to this question quite interesting. Most surveys I've read, on what women look for in a man, invariably read something like this-

1) Good sense of humour
2) Honesty
3) Nice smile
4) Manners

It seems that, in actual fact, financial security ranks much higher than most women would like to admit. Especially as a lot of people on low income are amongst the most honest, hard working people you could ever have the pleasure to meet.

[Moonchild]

aren't taking hard classes (oh wait, there are none in high school)

My high school offered maths up through Differential Equations, as well as the vast majority of the Advanced Placement courses. There were ways to take even better things, but we were a public school. Public sometimes doesn't have quite the same means as private. So yeah, AP Statistics is easy. AP Physics, not so much. AP Environmental Science? Fairly easy, but a lot of colleges won't take the credit unless you get a 5 on the exam. Differential Equations... is above the AP exams. >> They only go through two Calculus courses...

As far as salary, I couldn't care less. I intend to go into software development, which can be rather well-paying. If I were to meet someone who was an Education major of some sort.... Well, teachers don't always have the best pay. But I wouldn't let that stop me from dating the person if it came to that, no. As has been said, it's all about the want to do well. One girl I know from college has a friend who was quite in love and decided to marry the guy. But they moved to a different state because they'd gotten job offers there--the guy lost his job in two weeks and didn't want to get another one. She'd seen hints that he didn't really want to be working, but didn't think it'd get that bad. She divorced him very quickly. So I will refuse to date someone if their ideal income amount is nothing, because I would /not/ like to carry someone on my back for life. XD; But I think that's a given for most people, isn't it?

[Gigabitch]

It seems that, in actual fact, financial security ranks much higher than most women would like to admit.

It's a given, like basic personal hygiene and decent health.

[vashti]

I think financial security is vital if you want to raise a family. College isn't free.

Doesn'tmatter - I wasn't necessarily referring to financial affluence as the sole measure of success. Success is defined by the individual.

[DoesntMatter]

My high school offered maths up through Differential Equations, as well as the vast majority of the Advanced Placement courses. There were ways to take even better things, but we were a public school. Public sometimes doesn't have quite the same means as private. So yeah, AP Statistics is easy. AP Physics, not so much. AP Environmental Science?

My high school only offered as high as AP classes, I took AP physics, chemistry, calculus, and US history, and they were all ridiculously easy. Getting a 5 on an AP exam doesn't mean shit, in my calc class this year for instance everyone got 5s and aced their test like the little bitch it is, yet these same kids are busting their ass for just a B-. There is massive inequity and difficulty among courses from school to school.

So depending on the school you go to, you might not want to take your AP credit, because their intro class might be about 15 times more difficult in terms of concepts and amount of material covered compared to an AP class

[Moonchild]

I took the two Computer Science APs, Calculus AB, Calculus BC, Statistics, Environmental Science, English Language, and English Literature. A 5 does mean something, though; the exams are graded on a curve, if I recall. It's not a set scale--students are basically competing against each other for a decent mark. A bunch of kids getting 5s in the same class means that they were able to perform better on the exam than other students in the nation. Hypothetically, a group of C-level students could receive 5s if the highest exam score was 78% or so.

And not taking the AP credit would be a little silly, even in that situation, unless you picked the worst college on the planet with teachers from hell. My CS APs were Java-based, but my college teaches in C++. The professors didn't mind, and helped me learn what I needed to know about C++ to do well. Wasn't hard, since the languages are so similar. But re-taking a course for which I'd received credit would have been a waste of time, I think.

[DoesntMatter]

1) The AP exams are curved so that 10 - 15% of students who took the exam will get a 5. Sorry, but top 10% is nothing special when it is everyone who took the AP you are being compared to.

2) Actually, it would be silly to use your AP credit and find out that you don't know what the hell you are doing in the class one level higher because your basis (which would be the AP course) sucks monkey balls compared to what you would have been taught at the college.

[vashti]

The kids here taking AP bio cover in the course of one year what they might have learned in a semester of college. I don't think the AP classes and their grades mean nothing, nor would I dismiss getting a 5 on an AP exam. If a 5 means you are in the top 10% of kids who took AP classes, good for you! It is usually the kids that are more highly motivated and work harder that are taking the AP classes in the first place.

[jurupa]

I get to know them a bit. I'm not talking about physical attraction, I'm talkign about the WHOLE attraction, the willingness to be associated with the person.

He doesn't have to be Rockfeller, but he at least has to have some ambition, some will to succeed. If he has that, then chances are he will.

Fair enough.

You're thinking too literally here. It isn't all about phsyical appearance or concrete assets. I look for attitude, and the things I mentioned above. Of course, in the case you just described, the guy is favourable.

I am thinking realistic actually. And I am talking about just money and not the other things you mentioned as I already asked you that question.

As in high school, aren't taking hard classes (oh wait, there are none in high school) and do not see the importance is annihilating the competition. So how you gonna reach your goals? They won't. Good, **** them. After exams it feels great to hear kids crying about how much they bombed the test. I love kids who throw the curve down

I think you would hate to go to the high school I went to. If you thought high school was easy then you should go thru the one I went to. It offers pretty much every single IB and AP classes, and the majority of its text books are college level. You mention competition? Educational wise its there alright, to the point that the high school attracts colleges like MIT, Yale, etc to the school to get these kid into their college. And recently the high school just got a 10k grant from MIT to make a robot for a competition against 15 other schools. And if you are wondering its a public high school.

[DoesntMatter]

Jurupa, maybe you missed the point of what I was saying. AP classes are on par with a standard intro class for a normal college. In other words, they aren't nearly difficult enough to separate the men from the boys if you know what I mean. Which makes it rather ridiculous when applying to top notch schools, because everyone will have all 5s on APs and 1500+ SATs. So when I say it means nothing, I meant that if you were applying to a good school, because you're just in the same boat as everyone else

[vashti]

So when I say it means nothing, I meant that if you were applying to a good school, because you're just in the same boat as everyone else

Well, you are in the same boat as everyone else who got a 5 on their AP exams, but not everyone gets a 5, and not everyone even takes AP classes.

I kind of look at the AP classes as the prerequisites for good universities, but nowadays, you are right: grades aren't enough. You need grades and leadership skills, or something else that makes you interesting.

[DoesntMatter]

You need grades and leadership skills, or something else that makes you interesting.

True, which makes me wonder how I ever got into a college in the first place

[Illusional]

I wish *I* could have been his assistant.

hey, you can always be "my" assistant. i don't mind having good head around me.

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