Would you date a guy that said:

[Aeradalia]

Interesting that she would attribute blame and all responsibility to you. As opposed to saying 'what if WE got pregnant'?

Are there really women out there who think its completely the males responsibility for such things?

I sincerely hope such women are not common... it takes two to tango. Even if he was the one that played the 'lead'... the woman still followed.

[IndiReloaded]

Oh I was just commenting on her thinking process. You can tell a lot about someone by their choice of words, sometimes.

[Mish]

Interesting that she would attribute blame and all responsibility to you. As opposed to saying 'what if WE got pregnant'?

Are there really women out there who think its completely the males responsibility for such things?

Yeh, I got the sense of that at the time as well but somehow felt guilty when she accused me of giving her a "wrong" answer and that feeling put me into I'm sorry mode instead.

Later on after we broke up and I reviewed our relationship more objectively, I've noticed a lot more of these thinking processes. For example, she'd ask me for advice and then be unhappy if it differed too much from what she was thinking. It made me feel sorry for giving her advice in the first place. I put it down to immaturity.

[IndiReloaded]

Maybe not in this thread as much, but there is some mud thrown on this forum from the people who are "older" (30+, been married possibly, children, etc).... meh.

Its a cop-out for someone to say "I am older, I have experienced more in life, my opinion is better", which subtly sounds like...

Ya. I can see why you would think that someone like Vash, who actually HAS the experience of several children, being married and lots of married friends, might be a dicey source of advice on, say, a thread about children. Or being married. Or knowing couples who actually cheated.

[Aeradalia]

Oh I was just commenting on her thinking process. You can tell a lot about someone by their choice of words, sometimes.

Agrees... they have a field of science dedicated to it.. psychology... their choice of words and overall mannerisms can give clues to what goes on in their mind..

How a person thinks can give clues to how they'll act or react... and predicting anothers actions can come in real handy in most aspects of life... not just relationships..

[IndiReloaded]

Psychology barely qualifies as a science, IMO. Except for the animal studies.

[Aeradalia]

Psychology barely qualifies as a science, IMO. Except for the animal studies.

The mind is simply too complex for the simplistic and crude tools that psychology uses at the moment. But I do think it is on the path to becoming a field of science that will start to yield more reliable results... eventually.

I do agree that it is often wrong and tends to draw the wrong conclusions... Growing up I was misdiagnosed so many times and the predictions made about my behavior couldn't have been more wrong... but I still think that through trial and error as well as incorporating some new ways in which to observe, psychology can become a 'real' form of science one day.

[Mish]

Psychology barely qualifies as a science, IMO. Except for the animal studies.

But only because there is so little known about the mind and it's one of the few sources available to us when it comes to understanding. You can say Astronomy barely qualifies as a science as well, but if you want to know more about the universe that's the place you will end up going to (there are simply not many other tools to turn to).

[IndiReloaded]

But only because there is so little known about the mind and it's one of the few sources available to us when it comes to understanding. You can say Astronomy barely qualifies as a science as well, but if you want to know more about the universe that's the place you will end up going to (there are simply not many other tools to turn to).

Mish, no offense, but you don't know what you are talking about. Its not about how much is unknown, but how reliable what IS learned is. Astro qualifies, psych doesn't.

Perhaps you should look up astrophysics (i.e. astronomy). I'd say that is VERY rigorous. Newtons laws of planetary motion and all that.

[Mish]

Its not about how much is unknown, but how reliable what IS learned is. Astro qualifies, psych doesn't.

That's exactly it, how much IS learned in Astronomy? Very little. And that which is known changes all the time (Our modern understanding of Black Holes is just a tiny example). It's not very reliable information. But even though it's not very reliable we continue to come back to it, because it's something we need to know.


P.S. Please don't take offense to disagreement, you know I don't think any lesser of you if we disagree

[TheTooya]

Ya. I can see why you would think that someone like Vash, who actually HAS the experience of several children, being married and lots of married friends, might be a dicey source of advice on, say, a thread about children. Or being married. Or knowing couples who actually cheated.

Oh no, don't get me wrong, someone with more experience can have a lot more to say, and their points can be much more reputable as well. Its the delivery that I was talking about.

[heavensgate]

#1. yes.. he just want to close the door in the end, he might eat all his words..

#2. nope.. sign of being disrespecting women.. y make her pregnant if he's not responsible after the result..