touching.

[Gigabitch]

Oh, so everybody's rules apply here, all at the same time? No ****ing way. Touching inappropriately is disrespectful, and there are pretty clear regional standards for what's appropriate.

[Indignant]

Were you picked on too much in school? The other kids flicked your hears one to many times?

I am guessing that you live in America and not some remote place, void of human habitation, such as the Sahara Desert.

America is a melting pot. So when a Russian guy hugs you and kissses you, that is part of YOUR culture. When a chicano woman touches the back of your hand with her other hand when you shake hands that is part of YOUR culture. Heck when people eat with chopsticks that is part of YOUR culture.

Unless you beleive that the only true culture is that of the original people's. Which I doubt because you are not a Native American living in a Teepee.

ooh baby, i think i like you.

[Gribble]

America is a melting pot. So when a Russian guy hugs you and kissses you, that is part of YOUR culture. When a chicano woman touches the back of your hand with her other hand when you shake hands that is part of YOUR culture. Heck when people eat with chopsticks that is part of YOUR culture.

Like I said, I frankly don't give a damn about people's culture. My personal space trumps it. Invade at your own risk. I'm not the one initiating contact. I'm not initiating anything. MY personal "culture" involves no touching. How dare someone else infringe upon it. Eat with all the chopsticks you want, hug and kiss your Russian friends, so on and so forth. That's none of my business and none of my concern. However, do not attempt to force your culture on me. That's where we have a problem.

Furthermore, I would say that America most certainly has developed its own culture. You take people from anywhere in the world, you stick them in the US, give it a couple of generations and the children all start popping out in roughly the same few categories regardless of their ancestor's origins. That's our culture now. It's a homogenized hodepodge of other cultures rolled into one and no particular originating thread (outside religion) is taken too seriously. Which is a good thing. It means we're working toward a country of American citizens. Not a splintered collection of Mexicans, Italians, Chinese and so forth huddled together uneasily on the same soil.

[Lite]

Unless you beleive that the only true culture is that of the original people's. Which I doubt because you are not a Native American living in a Teepee.

Actually, culture wise it is best to observe the customs of the other person. Thus if in their culture it is not appropriate to touch, you don't touch.

As for "Original People's" culture. That would probably apply if this were say, Mexico. Where the Spanish intermixed with the aborigine people. Versus say, the US where the British basically supplanted the indigenous population.

Or should we accept that if in say, Hispanic culture calling someone a puto is punishable by death, that if they kill you it's OK, because it's part of their culture? When a machete wielding Hutu murders my Tutsi neighbor I should be OK with it, because it's a part of their culture? That when a Sunni woman's vagina is mutilated against her will because it's a part of her family's culture?

[Indignant]

Actually, culture wise it is best to observe the customs of the other person. Thus if in their culture it is not appropriate to touch, you don't touch.

As for "Original People's" culture. That would probably apply if this were say, Mexico. Where the Spanish intermixed with the aborigine people. Versus say, the US where the British basically supplanted the indigenous population.

Or should we accept that if in say, Hispanic culture calling someone a puto is punishable by death, that if they kill you it's OK, because it's part of their culture? When a machete wielding Hutu murders my Tutsi neighbor I should be OK with it, because it's a part of their culture? That when a Sunni woman's vagina is mutilated against her will because it's a part of her family's culture?

why oh why are you such an extremist?

[Gribble]

Rationally developed opinions are extreme these days? I guess that isn't terribly surprising.

[Lite]

why or why are you such an extremist?

That's why, oh why. And no need to use it to add drama to your statement. It doesn't actually add anything useful to the discussion.

I'm just curious where you draw the line? If a person feels violated by you touching them, are you wrong for touching them, or are are they wrong for not kicking you in the clam for touching them?

Besides, if you don't defend the extremes then eventually the moderate becomes the extreme. It's just part of how our government works. Back in the 50's when people weren't morally strong enough to stand up with people who had communist leanings they were harassed, blackballed, blackmailed, and jailed. During WWII when people weren't morally strong enough to stand up with people of Japanese origin we had them put into internment camps, yet Russians, Italians, and Germans did not experience this treatment even with their involvement in the fighting. (Yes, I know Russia eventually switched sides after the Germans betrayed them.)

I'm just curious. Where do you draw the line? If I came from a society that treated women like objects that I could stone if they showed a bare ankle, saw you in a bikini and started tossing rocks at you. Would you be OK with it in the sense of cultural openness and acceptance?

[Indignant]

at this point of the conversaion all i hear is blah blah blah

[Gribble]

at this point of the conversaion all i hear is blah blah blah

Well, that's a shame. Lite presented a reasonable argument and all you can do is duck and cover.

[Indignant]

Well, that's a shame. Lite presented a reasonable argument and all you can do is duck and cover.

how does Lite's ass taste, Gribble?

[Lite]

how does Lite's ass taste, Gribble?

How does it feel to suffer from delusions of adequacy Dig?

And what is it with you taking other people's threads and turning them into your own personal flaming ground?

[Indignant]

How does it feel to suffer from delusions of adequacy Dig?

can't complain.

[Indignant]

How does it feel to suffer from delusions of adequacy Dig?

And what is it with you taking other people's threads and turning them into your own personal flaming ground?

oh yeah, it really takes one person to blame. talk about sexist remarks. i am so tired of males always blaming a woman every chance they get.

[Gribble]

It would appear that you are as ignorant as you are cowardly. I'll do us both a favor and overlook your posts in the future. Clearly you aren't capable of intelligent discourse. Either you ignore disagreement or shift the subject.

[Indignant]

It would appear that you are as ignorant as you are cowardly. I'll do us both a favor and overlook your posts in the future. Clearly you aren't capable of intelligent discourse.

make sure you do that.