Human Trash

[qwertz]

at least the parents have a choice whether to do it or not.

[misombra]

Becasue as Williams says above I do not think that spanking is the end all for how a child will turn out. To me, there are far too many other things than a few spankings over a life time that will drastically affect the outcome of my chilrden. In other words I think the amount of spankings that I will hand out are almost totally insignificant to the outcome.

there is hard data that suggests the contrary.

[Junket]

Which part was an overstep? His wife being a loser? I believe he made some posts to this effect himself. Plus, any woman that lets someone belt her kid is a loser. Vash posted that first, not me.

I'm not sorry Fras. If any of you mods want to infract or ban me for arguing with this jerk, go right ahead. It will be worth it. He's not posting "I hit my daughter once with a belt and I'm sorry for it". I'm not rubbing his nose in spilled milk. He's defending his stupid position and posting that some idiot high school teacher that should have been fired agreed with him. He sounds like a religious headcase. Even his main defender Williams, who seems to think spanking is okay, said that belting isn't.

I have to work. I won't argue with this idiot any more unless he continues to post psuedo-scientific psych BS as a weak argument for supporting his atrocious parenting method.

You're not rubbing his nose in spilled milk?

No, you're simply going below the belt and insulting someone he not only cares for, but is not here to defend themselves from your outrageous accusations.

That's a dirty tactic, one I know too well. You're trying to offend him just as much as he offends you with his argument, the quickest and easiest way being to insult his wife.

I honestly don't care about this argument one way or another, but I've watched you resort to fighting words, and if you really practice what you preach you would know that attacking someone's character is the fastest way to put up a wall.

Obviously, since you're all still f*cking fighting about this shit.

And no, I'm no longer mod. I gave it up because I was tired of having to be fair and just, when it came to arguing.

We're on the same level now so there will be no cries of foul or abuse of power.

[girl68]

there is hard data that suggests the contrary.

Perhaps, but it would be very interesting to see how hard, how often and under what circumstance these parents are spanking. And what are the variables of measuring the "postive/ negative" traits of the general outcome. Eh well I don't really care enough to go read the studies and whatnot I have enough crap to read I don't want to add. I believe you on some levels that there is but the facts of such studies would still be interesting to dissect.

[vashti]

Becasue as Williams says above I do not think that spanking is the end all for how a child will turn out. To me, there are far too many other things than a few spankings over a life time that will drastically affect the outcome of my chilrden. In other words I think the amount of spankings that I will hand out are almost totally insignificant to the outcome.

If you think that spanking will have no measurable impact on the final outcome, then why would you bother doing it, knowing there is a lot of harm-potential?

[girl68]

If you think that spanking will have no measurable impact on the final outcome, then why would you bother doing it, knowing there is a lot of harm-potential?

Becuase in some instances it is very effective. Now, I'm still not saying beating children is okay, nor am I saying it is the sole method of punishment. I'm just saying for some kids in some kids spanking is effective.

[Gribble]

I've always felt spanking has less to do with disciplining a child and more to do with a parent venting his or her frustration.

[qwertz]

I've always felt spanking has less to do with disciplining a child and more to do with a parent venting his or her frustration.

Thats exactly it. It makes the parent feel better about their own inadequate ability to parent their child properly.

[dewilliams2]

I know your not trying to be mean and im not taking it that way.

My decision making has only been poor the last year or so. There i alot you dont know but im not going to say it on the forum again. You can pm if you want to know, otherwise just leave it at that

Well we can leave your history at that if that is what you'd like to do...I have read enough though that I am aware of your history...but can we agree that the argument "I was spanked as a child but turned out okay is relevant?....as I have stated so much goes into our upbringing that can totally jack us up and you can blame spanking if you want to but if there were people who were spanked but are fine then I have to wonder if there are not other elements at play.

[dewilliams2]

Which child does everybody think will be more damaged?

The child who is spanked but loved and nurtured/supported always?

Or

The child who isn't spanked but is neglected in terms of attention and affection?

I realize these are to extremes and I'm not saying if you weren't spanked you didn't get attention...I'm simply still trying to make my point which so many people keep overlooking.

THERE IS MORE THAT GOES INTO RAISING A CHILD THAN SIMPLY HOW YOU DISCIPLINE THAT CHILD AND EVEN WITHOUT SPANKING YOUR CHILD YOU CAN STILL BE A BAD PARENT.

[the_robot]

Physical pain is useless because it's forgotten easily, it goes as quick as it comes, it's not a good way to teach anything to anyone, not even animals.

I've had to deal with a lot of kids (some awfully misbehaving kids when they were around their parents) and they always followed my rules without need of any kind of punishment, if you show them you are not going to let them do what they want they don't do it.

[qwertz]

Hmmm, if you had read enough, you wouldnt be suggesting that my childhood has anything to do with my decisions. But anyway.

The child who is spanked but loved and nurtured/supported always?

Or

The child who isn't spanked but is neglected in terms of attention and affection?

The question you should be asking is "which is more damged..the child that is spanked but loved and nurtured/supported always, OR the child that is loved and supported/nutured and disciplined consistently without the need for physical violence?"

[dewilliams2]

Physical pain is useless because it's forgotten easily, it goes as quick as it comes, it's not a good way to teach anything to anyone, not even animals.

I've had to deal with a lot of kids (some awfully misbehaving kids when they were around their parents) and they always followed my rules without need of any kind of punishment, if you show them you are not going to let them do what they want they don't do it.

I've been working with exotic animals since I was 15...would you like to teach me a better way to teach a Siberian tiger to not put its mouth on me...it may be cute when its a 30 lb cub but when its 800 lbs and 12 ft long nose to tail its not nearly as cute....trust me, carrot and stick method works.

All the animals I have been bitten by are animals who have not been trained.

[dewilliams2]

Hmmm, if you had read enough, you wouldnt be suggesting that my childhood has anything to do with my decisions. But anyway.



The question you should be asking is "which is more damged..the child that is spanked but loved and nurtured/supported always, OR the child that is loved and supported/nutured and disciplined consistently without the need for physical violence?"

No...you continue to miss the points of my arguments...if read any further I told you I placed the two extremes to point out that there are more than just the way in which we discipline that goes into raising a child.

[vashti]

this ain't gonna be me.