Maria Orsic

[haxan]

Very intriguing. Was the leader of an underground occult society called the "Vril" in Germany around the time of the Third Reich. The women of the group were supposedly all very beautiful in person and grew their hair extremely long. It's reported that they, Maria in particular, channeled alien technology from a distant galaxy they referred to as Aldebaran in the Taurus system to Third Reich leaders and scientists. She disappeared in March 1945, leaving only a note that "no one is staying here" and was never seen or heard from again (apparently leaving with a group to Aldebaran).

When in trance, she would write in ancient Sumerian and other antiquated text that she had no knowledge of, apparently outlining the diagram for the time travel machine while doing so. The Vril still exist today, though apparently even more secretive and underground than before. Here's a good read on it:

[url]black.greyfalcon.us/[/url]

There was a recent photo of a female that was sent to a researcher and was identified only as someone named "Sully", and that she was the leader of the modern day Vril society, and was in fact Maria Orsic returned from Aldebaran. A guy on Youtube was intrigued and did this photo comparison of the two women. It's the only known photo of Sully to exist and very few of Maria from the early 20th century are around. I'd recommend watching it, it's unbelievable.



Another rare photo of Maria. I'm guessing for the 1920's-30's, that's a pretty hot bod !

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The Vril women:

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[thiudiskr]

It's a bunch of crap.

Occultist groups in Germany prior to The Third Reich were inspired by topics like pan-Germanism. They were very *loosely* associated with the NSDAP, and sought to give Germany an identity as a state, which had not existed following unification. What they did was try to reintroduce vestiges of pagan culture and spiritualism. They used sources like runic inscriptions (see Guido von List and his Das Geheimnis der Runen) and all kinds of voodoo mumbo jumbo. Really, it's hilarious. They ignored the academic work in historical linguistics at that time and came up with all kinds of twisted ideas.

For more reading, check out Thule Society, The Occultist Roots of Nazism, Victor Klemperer, etc.

On a side note, it strikes me as odd that an occultist would bear a Slavic-sounding name.

[haxan]

The greater conspiracy theories are what they are, but still, the facts about Maria's life remain, they're not fiction.

Here's a simpler link, more focused on just her.

[url]http://battleofearth.wordpress.com/2009/05/04/maria-orsic-and-the-vril-society/[/url]

[thiudiskr]

The greater conspiracy theories are what they are, but still, the facts about Maria's life remain, they're not fiction.

Here's a simpler link, more focused on just her.

[url]http://battleofearth.wordpress.com/2009/05/04/maria-orsic-and-the-vril-society/[/url]

I'm approaching your thread from a strictly factual and academic basis. From what I gather, there are no studies on this "Vril society" you're talking about. I personally have never heard of it and Nazi Occultism is one of my research interests. I believe if it ever existed and if it was ever significant, I would have heard of it by now, and I'm not being coarse here. Your sources are a couple of Wordpress blogs and a Youtube video. The only decent reference I can find is a science fiction novel - and okay, I love this genre, but it's fiction! Yes, it's intriguing, but it's simply not true. The first website you posted is an interesting read, but it grossly oversimplifies the facts in order to substantiate fallacies.

To straighten out the facts: there were occultist groups, The Thule Society did exist and was influenced (though not completely) by occultism, the "Vril society" is purely fiction. No occult movement during The Third Reich (AFAIK) was a conspiracy, and the groups that did exist were not preoccupied with extraterrestrial concepts. If either were the case, I assure you, Hitler would have had them eviscerated.

[haxan]

Things I do believe:
The Vril society did, and does exist
Maria Orsic and Sigrun were leaders, oracles if you will, of the Vril during the Third Reich and imo had interaction with high ranking officials.
Germany 'did' pursue the Bell Project during the course of the war (Die Glocke)

Not to get into a WWII discussion, but Himmler and his SS were involved in projects that were known only to them and I doubt Hitler was aware of most of what they (Himmler) did. By the time the war was full on in the east, he (Hitler) hardly ever left the Wolf's Lair.

BTW, it's not smoke and mirrors with the picture of Sully and Maria, just a photo re-sized and re-positioned to overlay another. Isn't it odd that two women would have the exact same bone structure and features? I don't think I could even do that with anyone in my family tree, including my 2 brothers, let alone a stranger in a photo some 80 odd years later who claims to be me

[Lipp]

Accept monotony, witch.

[KingZ]

If you were asking whether or not I'd bang her, the answer is yes, obviously dumbass.

[thiudiskr]

^^ A hint to your discreet passion for anal probing? :-)

[haxan]

I wonder if Sully has as beautiful a body as Maria did?

[Mish]

Is this thread some sort of spam? I'm a bit confused

[IndiReloaded]

Haxans new book. Sounds like Dan Brown meets Stargate.

[vashti]

I am embarrassed to admit that I started to watch that video, but immediately disregarded it since faces aren't symmetrical. You can't "flip" a right-facing photo and have it look like the same person.

I don't even really understand why I bothered to look. I think this kind of stuff is total bullsh*t. I must be REALLY bored.

[haxan]

Oh please ! If she was a he, and looked like Brad Pitt or George Clooney, you guys would've watched that vid like 3-4x already ;-)

So, what was the point of her disappearance? To leave greater Germany and avoid the retribution of the Soviet soldiers, I get. But she would've resurfaced at some point. She wasn't a war criminal, and at worst, if her name was linked to the Bell Project, she would've been questioned and released by the Allies, nothing more. It's not like they would've taken vested interest in a medium who had no understanding of the information she was reportedly disseminating.

To just disappear from existence is just really odd. It was 1945, not 1245, records were kept. If it was a hoax, some wrinkled up old prune would've came out 25 years ago and said something. It's only a hoax if the gotcha factor is revealed in the end.

As far as Sully, that's an easy one to me. Mirror image or not, facially she is remarkably similar to Maria, too much so to be honest. But Maria was obviously very petite. Judging from the photo, she has a very similar stature to my wife, who is 5'1, 105. If I had to guess, I'd say Maria is about 5'2, no more than 100-110 pounds. Now if I met this Sully chick, and she was very petite like that, it would definitely be eerie.

This would make for great screenplay, for sure. WWII, Nazi Germany, a beautiful group of psychics led by a stunning blonde who supposedly channeled the technology for time travel to Hitler and his Reich. Syfy channel would eat that sh*t up !

[IndiReloaded]

Aldebaran's great, OK,
Algol's pretty neat,
Betelgeuse's pretty girls,
Will knock you off your feet.
They'll do anything you like,
Real fast and then real slow,
But if you have to take me apart to get me there,
Then I don't want to go.
Singing,
Take me apart, take me apart,
What a way to roam,
And if you have to take me apart to get me there,
I'd rather stay at home.

[haxan]

*sigh*

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