zodiac signs is this true????

[haxan]

Now that was a funny read, Indi ! Hahaha, good find

[IndiReloaded]

*sigh* You just don't get it Indi. True astrology is not about predictions, it's about understanding.

Minx - what sign am I when the sun is between the earth and the moon? LOL.

Anyway, *science* is about understanding (testable hypotheses). Astrology is about entertainment. The onus is on YOU to prove it works, which we know you can't. Anyway, I've thumped you on this before so I won't do it again. Anyone wanting the argument can search the forum.

[MaidenMinx]

Minx - what sign am I when the sun is between the earth and the moon? LOL.

Anyway, *science* is about understanding (testable hypotheses). Astrology is about entertainment. The onus is on YOU to prove it works, which we know you can't. Anyway, I've thumped you on this before so I won't do it again. Anyone wanting the argument can search the forum.

Indi, give me your place, time and date of birth and I'd be happy to do your chart and explain it all to you. If there is absolutely nothing in it that sounds like you, I would be very surprised. Any other sceptics are welcome to do the same, I'm happy to do it. Possible outcomes; I discover that there is no truth to it (unlikely), you'll be entertained (likely) or you might discover some truth to it.

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[IndiReloaded]

Refer back to my post about underwear. Humans are wonderful at drawing specific conclusions from general information. Its expected (and something astrology definitely capitalizes on); we are essentially selfish creatures. Its the causality I question. Its like the internet: if you search enough, you will always find someone who agrees with your POV. Doesn't make it true.

Trouble is, you know me enough from this site that giving you *my* birthday wouldn't mean much. Shall I PM you someone else? I admit I'm curious.

[haxan]

Refer back to my post about underwear. Humans are wonderful at drawing specific conclusions from general information. Its expected (and something astrology definitely capitalizes on); we are essentially selfish creatures. Its the causality I question. Its like the internet: if you search enough, you will always find someone who agrees with your POV. Doesn't make it true.

I agree. There's no way, with all of the amazingly sensible and sensual things that I would ~hypothetically~ want in a partner, that a Gemini would be a perfect fit. Impossible.

Ok, wait Indi. You trashed it in the first paragraph and end it in curiosity? Hmm....

[haxan]

Did you find any takers, Minx? I'm inclined to think that our lovely yet sometimes misguided searock is a water sign. Pisces I'd bet.

[IndiReloaded]

Ok, wait Indi. You trashed it in the first paragraph and end it in curiosity? Hmm....

I'm curious about many things, Haxan. Not always for the reasons you may think. Anyway, Minx hasn't gotten back to me. Maybe she's worried I'll go all Science on her (I'll be nice. Objective, but nice).

On that note, how do you *know* I'm a Gemini? Because I said so? LOL, you haven't been here long enough to know how I work...

[haxan]

On that note, how do you *know* I'm a Gemini? Because I said so? LOL, you haven't been here long enough to know how I work...

I was thinking more about the post awhile back when I was rambling about how I liked the strong, capable, confident type, who still had the fun, playful, want to be babied little girl on the inside. You said a Gemini (split personality). I don't think I've 'known' a Gemini, but that was an interesting little snippet that I found. Have to say of all the zodiac stuff I've read, that fit pretty well

It's hard to guess w/out seeing someone in action, but I probably would've had you as an Aquarius.

[IndiReloaded]

It's hard to guess w/out seeing someone in action, but I probably would've had you as an Aquarius.

Okay, that one works too.

[haxan]

I don't know. I think with things that in some way defy a simple explanation, the one's that have stood the test of time have to have something behind them. UFO's, Bigfoot, astrology. They've been around for centuries. You could even throw religion and the occult in to the mix.

One impressive display I did witness. When I worked at a video store way back in the day (when they were super busy/popular), there was a girl who used to hang out with me the nights I worked, for hours. Literally, just standing at the counter, talking all night. She knew her movies though and would talk to the customers, give them ideas what to rent etc, so she was fun to have around.

She was very big into astrology and every now and then it would be a topic of discussion. One evening I said ok, I'm going to put you to the test. She was a Pisces. I told her, you should know Pisces better than anyone, so I printed out a member list for her and said pick out the people who you think are Pisces (from regular customers that we both knew) from the list.

She gave me 11 names. I went into the database and checked the date of births and she was right on 10, and to her credit, the missing one was a water sign also (Scorpio).

I was stunned, and of course never heard the end of it. I have to say, it did make me 'curious' as you would say

[MaidenMinx]

Refer back to my post about underwear. Humans are wonderful at drawing specific conclusions from general information. Its expected (and something astrology definitely capitalizes on); we are essentially selfish creatures. Its the causality I question. Its like the internet: if you search enough, you will always find someone who agrees with your POV. Doesn't make it true.

Trouble is, you know me enough from this site that giving you *my* birthday wouldn't mean much. Shall I PM you someone else? I admit I'm curious.

Go for it hun. Date, time and place of birth is all I need. Then I will need some time to interpret it, and type out that interpretation but I am more than happy to do it. Even if all it does is entertain you, though I am pretty darn sure I'll hit enough nails on the head to make you at least wonder if there is something more to it.

I'm sorry I didn't get back to this sooner. I had decided to avoid this thread, and will ignore threads like this in future because I am tired of ... well the skepticism, which at times in the past has gotten almost mean, and when it is people I respect on here... well, I just couldn't be bothered. The same way it's polite to avoid discussing religion or politics at the dinner table.

[MaidenMinx]

Did you find any takers, Minx? I'm inclined to think that our lovely yet sometimes misguided searock is a water sign. Pisces I'd bet.

I am quite hesitant these days to just try and pick someones sign. I'm usually close, but I have seen to many birth charts to depend on one sign.
If you find western astrology interesting, have a look at chinese astrology. It also isn't as simple as it seems.
I guess this is my problem with astrology, I've looked into too many aspects and am not an expert in any. I know enough though. I'm not looking to become an astrologer. I just find it a useful tool for understanding people.

[MaidenMinx]

I'm curious about many things, Haxan. Not always for the reasons you may think. Anyway, Minx hasn't gotten back to me. Maybe she's worried I'll go all Science on her (I'll be nice. Objective, but nice).

On that note, how do you *know* I'm a Gemini? Because I said so? LOL, you haven't been here long enough to know how I work...

Oh and Indi, I don't mind when you go all science. Sure we might argue at times and have different points of view, but science is important.

[TheCafeTerrace]

Oh and Indi, I don't mind when you go all science. Sure we might argue at times and have different points of view, but science is important.

Yes, science is important, because it proves that you're completely wrong and Indie's right. Science is based on fact and evidence whereas astrology is a mass cultural delusion - it is not a difference of opinion, it's the difference between being true and not true.

Astrologers, crystal healers, psychics, clairvoyants, homeopaths... Usually these people are harmless enough, but sometimes they take advantage of the weak, vulnerable and gullible in the most hideous ways. A man with cancer who goes to a shaman for treatment instead of a doctor, a woman who pays another person to tell her lies about hearing her dead child "on the other side", an astrologer who has clients who become dependant on knowing how the planets will affect their day-to-day life and need to consult some charlatan before they feel confident in making decisions about their own ****ing life. It's fundamentally sick, and rotten to the core.

So Indie, if you feel inclined, please do go all sciencey. Also please explain Barnam statements, confirmation bias, cold reading, the rainbow ruse... There's no excuse for wilful ignorance, it's just intellectual cowardice and bulshittery of the most despicable kind.

[MaidenMinx]

Yes, science is important, because it proves that you're completely wrong and Indie's right. Science is based on fact and evidence whereas astrology is a mass cultural delusion - it is not a difference of opinion, it's the difference between being true and not true.

Truth is never absolute. Facts are frequently changing. Science is delving into new ground and making discoveries. Not one scientist yet that dismisses astrology has ever been willing to actually look into it from an experiential angle. Experiment all you want, some things have to be experienced.

Astrologers, crystal healers, psychics, clairvoyants, homeopaths... Usually these people are harmless enough, but sometimes they take advantage of the weak, vulnerable and gullible in the most hideous ways. A man with cancer who goes to a shaman for treatment instead of a doctor, a woman who pays another person to tell her lies about hearing her dead child "on the other side", an astrologer who has clients who become dependant on knowing how the planets will affect their day-to-day life and need to consult some charlatan before they feel confident in making decisions about their own ****ing life. It's fundamentally sick, and rotten to the core.

Some of this I will agree with. There are a LOT of charlatans out there preying on peoples beliefs. Then there is whole other group of people who believe what they believe and do what they do from experiencing something that cannot be explained. Some people call it being open minded, I don't like that phrase because a lot of so called open minded people are extremely narrow minded too, I call it learning from experience.
At the same time I have to pick on one bit there, you pick on people for having to consult some "charlatan" to be confident to make decisions, yet here you are on a forum asking advice from a bunch of people you don't know and have no idea what their 'expertise' are. Personally I see no difference. People seek comfort where they will.
Though I do not agree with the practice of making money for the insight often offered. That isn't right and only the most conceited try and do that.

So Indie, if you feel inclined, please do go all sciencey. Also please explain Barnam statements, confirmation bias, cold reading, the rainbow ruse... There's no excuse for wilful ignorance, it's just intellectual cowardice and bulshittery of the most despicable kind.

Intellectual cowardice? Really? Personally I think intellectual cowardice is turning your nose up at something you have no experience with. Jesus man, 200 years ago Doctors didn't wash their hands because they didn't believe in germs. Placing all your bets on one horse is intellectual cowardice, and to tell someone else their way of thinking is "bullshittery" is nothing more than arrogance.