Coming out of the Closet?

[Gribble]

"Hey ma! I **** sheep."

There. Out of the closet.

[Heratriumphant]

I'll be frank, your family is not going to accept this. They may even go so far as to try to have you committed. People you consider friends are likely to turn away from you, be cruel and perhaps puplicly humiliate you.

I'd highly recomend you find a mental health specialist to talk to, not specifically to "cure" you but to help you deal with all the surrounding social and emotional issues BEFORE you decide to out yourself. If need be they can even be on hand to help you talk to your family and answer questions.

I don't think you're really grasping how hugely alien this is to most people.

[Initials]

I do know it's quite alien. I also know though, that the majority of evidence supports my position, which is worth something, if not much.

I think I might try coming out to one my brothers. I think I can trust him to be silent about it, for one. Plus, he's heard about the issue, and I think, based on his personality, he'd be more curious than anything (trust me, I'm fairly sure about that).

[Cbrider]

Look, lets be totally honest here, it doesn't matter what we tell you.

Your family may accept you or may not, but society as a whole will reject you. At this point its a balance game, can you handle the backlash you will receive from society and possibly your family?

This country is founded around freedoms and tolerances, but in reality, there are still plenty of restrictions imposed by society. For your own well being and sake I think you best just keep this to yourself and seek help from a professional.

I am not picking sides, just being realistic about how the real world will view this.

[Initials]

I only really care about my family's reaction. First of all, I don't think it would be a very good idea to come out to everyone. I'd probably get beaten to death by someone. Second, I'm not planning on staying in America for long. This whole thing is one of the reasons, but only one of them.

Also, why do you guys think I need to see a professional? You keep saying that, it doesn't make sense to me why.

[Cbrider]

Also, why do you guys think I need to see a professional? You keep saying that, it doesn't make sense to me why.

This really should be blatantly obvious.

Popping a goat's cherry isn't considered "normal" or "healthy."

[Initials]

Go back a few years. A man having sex with a man wasn't considered normal or healthy. They were sent to professionals to be cured. It very rarely worked. The success rate is the same for zoophilia.

I don't really care what your stance on it is, but you should watch out for that 'logic', since it's really not 'logic'. It's just a knee jerk reaction.

[Petit Papillon]

To be honest,we act actually very kindly here. It's something You won't find in reality.And You know it. You wouldn't be afraid to come out with it if it would be normal. Really,don't compare homosexuality to zoophilia... As I said... Homosexual people agree to copulate with each other. Dog or whatever animal wouldn't say yes or no,but I guess it would be something stressful for the animal.
Don't consider it as a orientation. It's not, it's not normal. Regardless what may any religion say about that,but actually every kind of sexual activity which in origin is not predicted to recreate is unnormal.

And actually wouldn't reccomend to You,to get in contact with other zoophiles... In internet they rather exchange the tips how to find the way to copulate with animals and hide it from anybody then to look for help...I know where You could look for a place lie this in internet. They are hiding. you won't find such forums in google.They are hiding cause it's not normal and not moral.But I won't tell You cause You really need help. And I strongly recommend not to go out with it... I'm pretty sure Your family won't understand it. if I found out about something like this in my family I'd be very depressed...

[afterhourz]

I say, don't tell anyone, not even family. Unless you can find someone else in the same boat as you, just keep it to yourself. You know it is not acceptable in your society, let alone most in the world. Don't even bother is my best opinion, it will do way more harm then good.

I won't tell ya how to live your life, but for your own good, keep this one to yourself unless you can truly find someone else that has the same problem.

[Heratriumphant]

Initials when you're as far outside of society as you are psychological help is always a good idea. Even if you don't want to change you're going to need help dealing with the fact that the world has no place in it for people like you. Right or wrong it's true, you can move to any country in the world but you will never find the acceptance you're craving.

You really can't relate yourself to homosexuals, because unlike them your are not seeking a reciprocal, healthy relationship with an equal. You can use what ever arguments and rationalizations you want, but a dog will never truely be a life partner.

You need to ask yourself WHY the things that attract you are subserviant and have no voice.

[Initials]

Disclaimer: This post may be aggressive. If you continue reading, do so with that knowledge.

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Guys, I'm going to ask you something. You act like you know more than me. What research have you done?

I've got research papers, books, documentaries, hundreds of web pages, medical journals, statistics, court cases, debates, personal accounts, and personal experience. Easily over 100 hours I've spent on this.

I can safely say that none of you have even put in 1/10th of the effort I have into this. And yet, what is this? You somehow think that you know something I don't. You think I haven't examined this already from every angle conceivable.

To be honest, I don't care whatsoever about this word you keep using. "Acceptance". The world can hate me. Sure, acceptance would be nice. But I don't have any delusions that it exists anywhere. What I want is a place where I can live in peace. rather than fear. There are places in the world like that.

Family is somewhat of an exception. I want them to at least know. If they refuse to accept it, I can't stop that. But I don't think they will refuse. It might take some time, but I don't think they will refuse.

Now, I could answer the questions you've asked me. Why should I? You guys haven't even attempted the first step towards understanding. The only reason I ever debated the issue in the first place was to prove to myself I could. That my position was logically tenable. I did that.

I would talk with you even now about it. But, not in this topic, and not before you make an effort. You want me to talk with me? Prove you deserve it. Private message me. I'll consider that step one. A slight effort on your part to show you care even just a little bit about the issue before I continue.

What more needs to be said? The ball is in your court.

[Charlie Boy II]

what do you do to get off? Do you watch wildlife documentaries? Or do the animals have to be in slutty poses?

[Shady]

With all due respect, its a sick thing. Go get some professional help, we all have a lot of weird stuff in our closets, but you gotta keep it closed at all time. Imagine what would it be like if we were all running around fullfilling out wildest fantasies...imagine your neighbour raping his car or someone in the middle of the street doing a doggystyle on a grandma...its all perverted, just get rid of that through pro help. Tell your family that you need help, they'll be happy to help you I'm sure.

[Petit Papillon]

I didn't do any effort to understand You? ****. If I wouldn't I would tell You're a simple sick **** and should go and **** Yourself or burn in hell! But I didn't. I put myself in a situation like Yours and try to find You a way to help Yourself.

Now I am pretty sure You're sick. You know why? Because You don't understand that what You want or would like to do is bad and not normal. I just tell You.I'm pretty more than sure that Your family will reject ou after You tell them about this. We're living in civilization where there is no place for such a behaviour. You think that if it would be normal, people wouldn't allow this?
Do You think sex with children is normal?Healthy for both sides? Or do You think sex with dead people is healthy or normal? Hell no. It's sick.And as sick as it is, so sick is sex with animals.Really man, don't compare Yourself to homosexuals .It's really something different.

I really feel sorry for You. Not because You don't know how to tell about it to Your family,but because You don't understand it's sick,unnormal and bad.Seriously...go and find Yourself a good girl.Maybe she can change Your mind.

[Lipp]

Disclaimer: This post may be aggressive. If you continue reading, do so with that knowledge.

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Guys, I'm going to ask you something. You act like you know more than me. What research have you done?

I've got research papers, books, documentaries, hundreds of web pages, medical journals, statistics, court cases, debates, personal accounts, and personal experience. Easily over 100 hours I've spent on this.

I can safely say that none of you have even put in 1/10th of the effort I have into this. And yet, what is this? You somehow think that you know something I don't. You think I haven't examined this already from every angle conceivable.

To be honest, I don't care whatsoever about this word you keep using. "Acceptance". The world can hate me. Sure, acceptance would be nice. But I don't have any delusions that it exists anywhere. What I want is a place where I can live in peace. rather than fear. There are places in the world like that.

Family is somewhat of an exception. I want them to at least know. If they refuse to accept it, I can't stop that. But I don't think they will refuse. It might take some time, but I don't think they will refuse.

Now, I could answer the questions you've asked me. Why should I? You guys haven't even attempted the first step towards understanding. The only reason I ever debated the issue in the first place was to prove to myself I could. That my position was logically tenable. I did that.

I would talk with you even now about it. But, not in this topic, and not before you make an effort. You want me to talk with me? Prove you deserve it. Private message me. I'll consider that step one. A slight effort on your part to show you care even just a little bit about the issue before I continue.

What more needs to be said? The ball is in your court.

Frankly, if you feel that your research puts you in a better position to make the calls, why do you ask for advice? You asked for people's opinions/suggestions, and that's what they gave you.

Was zoophilia found to be moral? Apparently not, given that an animal would be very unlikely to consent to sexual intercourse with a human, which makes it rape. Instead of just stating what you believe, back up your claim with all of that research so that others can get it, you'll never convince anyone if it's all put through as your point of view.

And if you are gauging personal opinions, well, I still think that zoophilia is a big step beyond homosexuality, hell, I'd have an easier time to understand where pedophiles were coming from. For one, can you find distinctly different species of animals copulating? If we were to take humans out of the equation.