In Praise of Traditional Women

[ecojeanne]

ok lets see your research, i'm sure you're dying to show us which is what your comments lead up to.....go for it

[misombra]

do your own damn research or continue to spout shit you know jack about.

[Charlie Boy II]

it is outrageously simplistic to say ''morals are learned''.

[ecojeanne]

agreed cb for example darling mis read the following, might give you more insight as to how researchers you read may not have it right

[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/02/27/health/webmd/main4833443.shtml?source=RSSattr=Health_4833443[/url]

[Mish]

I think it falls into that "Nature Vs Nurture" debate. The one where no one knows to what degree either one affects the person.

[misombra]

geez people go and look for yourselves. i've read books on it, i've taken classes on it, my bf works in a childrens psychiatric ward and sees it all the time.

if you're really that interested then go and find out. don't take my word for it. come and argue me on this when you've actually done a little looking into the subject.

[Charlie Boy II]

guys, its okay: she's read books on it.

[misombra]

[url]http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=11+boy+kills+father&fr=ush-news&ygmasrchbtn=Web+Search[/url]

check out that link. little kids killing their parents. i'll tell you that a lot of those kids are not abused. and after they kill their parent or whoever, most of them have absolutely no remorse over what they did.

how does a person who is born with morals go on to kill their parents? they're probably not taught right from wrong.

with some of the kids who were abused before they did it, those kids were taught that violence was okay. key word, taught.

[ecojeanne]

and note they use guns to kill-where the responsibility lies is?????. we all played cowboys and indians when we were kids....anyway you seem to say you are right and we're wrong even with evidence presented. no point discussing it with a blank wall

[Charlie Boy II]

[url]http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=11+boy+kills+father&fr=ush-news&ygmasrchbtn=Web+Search[/url]

check out that link. little kids killing their parents. i'll tell you that a lot of those kids are not abused. and after they kill their parent or whoever, most of them have absolutely no remorse over what they did.

how does a person who is born with morals go on to kill their parents? they're probably not taught right from wrong.

with some of the kids who were abused before they did it, those kids were taught that violence was okay. key word, taught.

hmmmm yes, I see. Kids killing their parents. Yes, yes, I see. And you've read books on it too, you say? Books! Well, case closed.

[misombra]

and note they use guns to kill-where the responsibility lies is?????. we all played cowboys and indians when we were kids....anyway you seem to say you are right and we're wrong even with evidence presented. no point discussing it with a blank wall

you're right. i'm not trying to argue it. i have scientific research to back me up which you probably have the same access to. you guys are free to have your opinions, but they are wrong.

and if you want to argue it, you'll have to get to work on showing that your supposed common sense theory is right over what scientists have already concluded.

oh and about the gun thing. are you seriously using the argument that kids playing with guns and then killing their parents is inherited? cause that was stupid.

[IndiReloaded]

Eco, mbe you should read the links and understand them before posting?

That link you posted doesn't say anything about morals being inherent. You didn't understand the researchers point. Adam Andersons group at U of T studies the neural and evolutionary basis of emotion. It is his theory that our emotions have been tied to *survival* traits, like the avoidance of toxic foods.

In fact, that article supports what Miso says about higher behaviour like morals being learned. Which comes right back to what I said, that it all boils down to selection for survival.

[ecojeanne]

heh indi i guess you didn't read the full article i posted, here's the headline written in bold at the top of the article. i guess you missed it...

Moral Disgust Linked To Primitive Emotion
Study Shows Our Sense Of Right And Wrong Has Roots In A Survival Instinct Of Early Humans

maybe you should have read the whole article before your lickarse comment.

i with mish and cb on this mis's research it is not conclusive. duh.

[Aeradalia]

I thought it was one of our evolutionary advantages that humans are able to learn so many things and do not rely so heavily on instinct as many other animals do?

Of course morality isn't instinctive... but the desire to survive is, and often times morality helps a large population of people coexist relatively peacefully (most of the time).

In regards to the children coming from good home who turn on their parents... well the human race is numbering in the billions now. The greater the numbers the higher the likelihood that you'll see the 'defective' ones. The brain is incredibly intricate, so I would imagine there is much that can go wrong in its development. It could be genetic, it could be environmental, or a combination of both where environmental factors encourage the expression of a genetic fault in mental development, whereas under different environmental factors it may not have been possible.

And of course... who's to say that the kids came from perfectly good homes in the first place when the parents are dead and you have outsiders who are making the assessment of what a child's upbringing might've been like?

Point in case... all my neighbors who knew my mom while I was growing up would've said she was a caring and devoted mother. I doubt they would've believed she was slowly poisoning me throughout my childhood. So how much accuracy can you really derive from outside perspectives?

[IndiReloaded]

Meh. News people often get it wrong, Eco. Whoever wrote that title isn't understanding the point of the research either.

Last time I checked, *I'm* the scientist here, not you. I know this guys group at U of T. I'm not wrong. You are. Sorry.