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I was wondering what happened to Cybog..
Anyways, Fras if he's not wanting to do it there really isn't anything yo can do.
If you can't handle the thorns, don't crave the rose!!
I have hopeless friends too. You just want to bang your head against a brick wall. At some point, you have to realize that they just don't listen, and they're never gonna listen, and try to approach it with a "Damage Control" attitude.