I'm Dishonest

[vashti]

Grk, why are you trying to derail the topic?

[GrkScorp]

Anyway Fras, we did get a little off topic there, and for as much of that that’s my own responsibility, I do apologize.. I suppose the history of the Sarbanes Oxley Act isn’t exactly that interesting..

But don’t feel bad.. and don’t let anyone else try and make you feel bad.. It’s not like you took money out of his account.. you billed more hours.. and that’s simply because you could..

I remember in high school, when I used to work at a dentist’s office.. I would come in, she would hand me my time-card (think about it.. something so simple.. she would first have to see me, and SHE would have to hand me my card.. so the possibility of me getting together with an other assistant to pull one of those on her was not even there.. and all that was there was incentive for me to check my self in as soon as my fingers made contact with my time-card).. then, as the day came to an end.. SHE would punch me out, and hand me my card.. She was always fair.. Dr. Masters.. one of the best employers I’ve ever worked for.. but under such a simple system.. there was no room for funny business like that.. Lunch breaks were for 30minutes, inside the office.. Now, she was a root-canal specialist, and we did about 8-10 a day.. she was obviously very busy.. but she was also not lazy or lax about her internal controls.. To her, an extra $12 an hour here or there was nothing serious.. she would charge $850 per root-canal.. but at the end of the year, she knew how much it added up to..

See, employers like her are not “mean”.. they’re “organized” and “proper”.. that’s exactly the way things should run.. (for a small business like that).. If she left the issue of time-cards entirely up to her assistants, then I’m sure someone would be tempted sooner or later.. that’s only natural.. that’s a normal human risk she would be taking by “letting” it happen.. something your employer is doing.. So from that perspective.. the party that’s more responsible and more deserving of blame is the employer, not the employee..

[Junket]

Well, the fact you even asked means you had an issue.

I asked because I find it hard to believe I'm not the only one who has fibbed on their hours.

Shit, I did this at GameStop too.

Now why are you guys dodging my question about yourselves?

[DoesntMatter]

Now why are you guys dodging my question about yourselves?

Anybody wanna chastise me?

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[Junket]

No







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Wrong question dumb f*ck.

It's like this entire thread, with every post in it has gone over everybody's head but 'Lil Wing's.

[vashti]

I don't intentionally walk off with employer's supplies (although I am sure I have inadvertantly walked off with a pen or something now and then) nor have billed for hours I didn't work. I try to be the kind of employee I'd want working for me. That said, I DO keep the hospital's bandage tape and a few bandaids with me in a little supply pouch when I am not working at the hospital so I won't have to go looking for it when I go to work.

I also think DM was supporting your position.

[IndiReloaded]

I asked because I find it hard to believe I'm not the only one who has fibbed on their hours.

Shit, I did this at GameStop too.

Now why are you guys dodging my question about yourselves?

Nope, never done what you said Fras. Not to sound superior, just never came up in the type of work I do. But our company does hire some contract employees & I already told you how we deal w/that kind of thing.

When I was a young student, my jobs were shift based, meaning I would work for a set shift/# of hours & then go home. Any work I chose to do in addition went unpaid. As a summer research assistant, I was paid a set stipend, if anything I tended to work more hours than I was paid, not less.

Has it occurred to you that the fellow who is 'offering' these extra hours to you is doing so for his own reasons? I would guess its a bit of a power trip for him. I say this only b/c if he really felt you were underpaid, there are other ways he could advocate for you than screwing his boss over. Sounds to me he's stepping outside of his job description & having a bit of fun playing 'boss'.

I find it really two-faced that someone can justify taking a paycheque from someone who's hard work (building a business) MADE that paycheque possible and then screw them over without batting an eye. There's something pathologically wrong with that attitude.

Ultimately, tho, I agree w/GS in that its the owner's problem. Our company has internal checks that come from accounting & admin & I have protocols in place for my own dept to deter theft & other issues. Mostly, tho, it has to do w/the fact that my managers & staff know I go to bat for them in cases where they think something needs looking at & I'm open to reasonable requests. Its too bad your owner isn't like this. But that doesn't make you any less responsible for your part. Its basically a form of white collar theft. If you are cool with that, then as I said, its your mirror.

I gotta be honest, tho. If you were coming to me for a job & I found out you had done something like this I wouldn't be inclined to hire you. I hope you don't get caught & never need a reference from this job. Take it for whatever its worth to you, but that's the opinion of someone from the 'other side' of the desk.

[IndiReloaded]

Grk, why are you trying to derail the topic?

Its a mental glitch when he doesn't have anything useful to say from his own experience. He's actually compelled to have to say something, lol. Fascinating. E.g. His last example of 'knowledge' on the subject came from a trip to his dentist's office.

but you brought up the issue of Enron.. and I thought you should just know the facts so that you don't humiliate yourself when you're talking to other people who actually know what happened..

I made a quip, I didn't bring up an 'issue' & you gave us a completely digressing lecture on a subject noone cared about (I'm glad you realized it was off-topic & unwanted, btw). But thanks for thinking of me; I'm sure I would be really humiliated if it weren't for you. LOL.

Do you know GS, why I shortened your SN to that? Because GS rhymes with... ?

[Junket]

It's not an issue of supporting my position or not, it's just that nobody seemed to get what I was nudging them towards...a reply similar to yours.

From what I've seen, considering I don't work with employees of the medical field...hour inflation is pretty common amongst the people I work with.

You get free or heavily discounted health care working for a hospital?

[vashti]

Nope. Not a penny, so far as I know. If I ever work for a physician personally, maybe I would.

[Junket]

I hope you don't get caught & never need a reference from this job. Take it for whatever its worth to you, but that's the opinion of someone from the 'other side' of the desk.

HA!

Welcoming to the working class.

This guy don't mean shit to me, he's under the table, and no taxes are bein' taken out of my pay.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm "unemployed".

Which means, my last job was Pool Pros, and I left on good terms with them.

Don't worry, I've already thought this shit through.

Doesn't matter, an electrician he just hired stole me the same day I inflated my hours.

Bennett just found out today, and he wasn't too happy.

[Illusional]

this isn't called being dishonest... it's called, really using your company time wisely. you'd better get used to it because everyone does it.

raverboy

[DoesntMatter]

I also think DM was supporting your position.

Yeah but I was mostly just trying to ruffle Frasbee's feathers

[IndiReloaded]

Meh. I'm done talking about this specific incident.

The general principle is all about choice Fras. So long as you choose an action with eyes wide open & you are willing to accept responsibility for whatever consequences arise, that's what it means to be an adult in a free society.

Too many ppl whine about their decisions, or lack of, IMO.

[DoesntMatter]

Something about accepting responsibilties-

People think that other people who commit crimes and fight them in court are trying to dodge responsibility. No- That is just another playing field for you to escape. It's not being a sore loser or anything. The prosecutor has the responsibility to prove you guilty. It's good to know the laws relating to the ones you intend on breaking beforehand so you know how to play on this playing field as well. That doesn't mean you need a law degree, but it is good to know the laws somewhat because they might change your actions *before* you end up in court