Music choices and inteligence

[lesa]

Well actually, doesn't that make sense? Not all classical is good just because it is classical, just as not all ... country(?) is bad just because it is country...

Maybe I just missed the point you were trying to make.

I think it's more about the background of the students. They may not have the background to do well on the SATs. English could be their second, etc language. They may have gone to poor schools with poor quality teachers, etc. But if listening to certain music causes us to become dumb I better stop hehe.

[Mish]

I remember reading a similar study a while back that concluded a lot of heavy metal fans are gifted or have high IQs


Ah yeh, found the article.

[url]http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/070321130834.htm[/url]

ScienceDaily (Mar. 22, 2007) — Gifted students who feel the pressure of their ability could be using Heavy Metal music to get rid of negative emotions. This is the conclusion of Stuart Cadwallader and Professor Jim Campbell of The National Academy for Gifted and Talented Youth at the University of Warwick.

[url]http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents/icast/archive/week26/[/url]

[vashti]

I remember reading a similar study a while back that concluded a lot of heavy metal fans are gifted or have high IQs


Ah yeh, found the article.

[url]http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/070321130834.htm[/url]

Actually, this article says the most popular form of music was rock (not heavy metal, and where I live, these are distinct categories), followed closely by pop. Only 19 students out of 1057 specifically mentioned heavy metal being a catharsis for their poorer-than-average self esteem. It actually did not state that a lot of heavy metal fans are gifted at all.

[misombra]

some heavy metal songs are about history. like iron maiden songs.

[Mish]

Actually, this article says the most popular form of music was rock (not heavy metal, and where I live, these are distinct categories), followed closely by pop. Only 19 students out of 1057 specifically mentioned heavy metal being a catharsis for their poorer-than-average self esteem.

Yeh, but those 19 were all gifted students. I think on the warwick site somewhere it mentioned that proportionally fans of heavy metal tended to have higher IQs to fans of other genres of music.

[Cbrider]

Before you look at any of this you have to ask yourself what IQ really means anymore. I personally think its kind of a crock of shit.

Its a measure of your POTENTIAL, not a measure of how smart you are.

[Gribble]

You're right. IQ isn't a measure of how smart you are. But if we assume it really is a measure of potential I think it's logical to conclude that people with greater potential are more likely to become intelligent than people with less potential. So in the end I'd say it's still a decent determining factor in intelligence.

'Course being smart doesn't equate to being successful in traditional terms. If you check Mensa's roster there are many, many people with extremely high IQs and extremely mundane careers.

[vashti]

Yeh, but those 19 were all gifted students.

By whose standard were they "gifted"? They were a part of an online poll, so I am guessing they considered themselves "gifted". Besides, only 19 out of 1057 people were supposedly gifted? I don't believe it. According to this website, "22% of children 12 to 17 years old were in a special class for gifted students or did advanced work in any subjects, which included honors and advanced placement classes in high school". That would be about 232 people, which is a lot more than 19.

[url]http://factfinder.census.gov/jsp/saff/SAFFInfo.jsp?_pageId=tp5_education[/url]

BTW - as a mommy I know that everyone's child is gifted.

[Cbrider]

You're right. IQ isn't a measure of how smart you are. But if we assume it really is a measure of potential I think it's logical to conclude that people with greater potential are more likely to become intelligent than people with less potential. So in the end I'd say it's still a decent determining factor in intelligence.

'Course being smart doesn't equate to being successful in traditional terms. If you check Mensa's roster there are many, many people with extremely high IQs and extremely mundane careers.

While I think the argument warrants some merit, I still think its all horse shit, I can use myself as an example.

I was given a number of I.Q. tests as a kid by professionals and they all concluded that I was roughly a 135-138 I.Q. and that I would have been higher if I actually finished the tests. I was a little shit as a kid and too stubborn to let anyone tell me what to do....a parenting nightmare by most accounts. 140 is the line between very intelligent and genius. Basically I have the potential to be anything from an aero space engineer to a nuclear physicist.

My sister is a very bright girl, but she scored like 120 or 125 on I.Q. tests, yet she is MUCH more successful academically than i am. She has discipline and motivation that I lack. Shes entering an extremely competitive nursing field this coming semester and shes in like the top 5% of her class. In the meantime I am floundering in my education and getting nothing done for multiple reasons, most of which were my doing.

This alone tells me that the system is flawed. Bar the special cases like down syndrome and retardation, I don't believe you can put limits on the human brains potential. Anyone can aspire to be anything they want with the proper education. Even thug life from central Harlem, who composes every sentence with a double negative and a reference to a 9mm can learn calculus. Sure some people have a natural acclimation to one subject or another, but anyone can learn anything.

This alone tells me

P.S. Blue, if you thanked my post because you listen to Muse, you are my new female hero.

[ecojeanne]

i like everything except rave, what does that make me? i find people are such snobs when it comes to music especially here in ireland, pathetic

[Only-virgins]

A thread about intelligence that has intelligence spelled as inteligence in the title = priceless. I don't listen to any of those, in fact Beethoven sounds the best choice out of all of them. Stupid statistics. I never knew that they ask you what music you listen too when you take the SAT lol. Oh, I know Imogen Heap, that is about it...and I like 1 song by them only. Damn what list of a pile of shit music. Holy shit this generation is going to be a joke in a few years for their music tastes.

[CocoChanel]

I listen to a little bit of everything on that chart though.

[Only-virgins]

Hip-hop, country and Christian music doesn't score very high....

Yea but we don't need statistics to tell us that the people who listen to that are idiots. It is common sense.

[ecojeanne]

exweeze me but i listen to that and much more OV, expand your mind and your mood, coz imo it has nothing to do with intelligence but mood, i don't care if you take the piss, if you limit yourself then you're an idiot, oh hey we've been there a few times tonight eejut n all

[Only-virgins]

exweeze me but i listen to that and much more OV

I know, I already covered you. I said "idiots".