I want out.

**vashti** · 22-10-09, 11:50 PM

I love Portland, but the rest of it? eh.

**Gigabitch** · 22-10-09, 11:58 PM

I lived in Eugene. It has it's redeeming qualities. The skinheads were too scary for me in Portland.

**IndiReloaded** · 23-10-09, 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by vashti

The places I've visited, of course... same as anyone else.

Also, the quality of the healthcare is the same as anywhere else, and probably better. The best doctors and hospitals tend to be in large cities. Traffic (in the cities) is pretty bad, though. However, I am largely unaffected by it, and the smog is better than it has been in years.

Its not the same as everyone else. Lots of people actually have the experience of living in another state or country. Travelling to a place for a week or two isn't at all the same. You don't generally use their healthcare, schools, other infrastructure that is part of everyday life. E.g. I love Pacific Mexico, its great for a holiday, but I'd never live there. I don't think that's quite the same as someone who has actually lived there tho, having the same opinion.

**IndiReloaded** · 23-10-09, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by Gigabitch

I lived in Eugene. It has it's redeeming qualities. The skinheads were too scary for me in Portland.

Eugene is very nice. Great schools, great university, small town feel w/big city amenities. A bit too far from the ocean, tho, IMO. Not for those who like the big city life tho, but that's not me.

**vashti** · 23-10-09, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by IndiReloaded

Its not the same as everyone else. Lots of people actually have the experience of living in another state or country. .

Haha! okay, indi. Although I was pretty sure we were talking about states in the U.S. (and not places in the world), I'm sure my opinion is completely invalid, and I suppose it is too much to imagine that I actually have my own set of criteria that are important as far as what makes a place liveable.

Whatever.

**IndiReloaded** · 23-10-09, 12:54 AM

LOL. Okay, you win. California is the best U.S. state to live in. You've lived in all of them. Not to mention that if California is the best the US has to offer, then I guess it explains the world liveability rankings.

**vashti** · 23-10-09, 01:12 AM

Again, who cares about the world? We are talking American states. And BTW - my city ranks pretty high, or at least it does according to Forbes. We were ranked number 18 out of the top 100 places to live a couple of years ago.

But really, the proximity to Los Angeles (culture), the ocean, the desert, and skiing, national parks, and rivers is why I like it... plus it's diverse population. I'd immediately be uninterested in living in a homogenous community, which wipes out the vast majority of places to live.

Oh, and our public schools are fantastic.

**doppelgaenger** · 23-10-09, 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by gigabitch

almost every texan i've met outside of texas was a boorish fool. (zarathu is the exception).

wahahahahahahaha!

**Cbrider** · 23-10-09, 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by Gigabitch

Also, Texans can't ****ing ski and they should stop trying. Spread the word.

The Southern U.S. as a whole doesn't know how to ski, I have witnessed some attempts and they just end up on a tubing hill in awe of snowfall.

I remember the first time I went skiing with a guy from my college, hailing from Texas. He saw me ski backwards and was absolutely boggled. His facial expression was so funny I actually lost my balance laughing and yard sale'd right under a lift, much to everyone else's amusement. Now, he is actually a very good and accomplished skier, he can push me some days, its nice to have competition without having to ski through gates.

Originally Posted by IndiReloaded

Personally, I'd choose Australia or Chile over California.

If Australia was an option I would be bouncing out on the next plane to take off, FedEx included.

**doppelgaenger** · 23-10-09, 02:21 AM

If the USA were a cow, California would be the dirty asshole. Wahahahaha! Get it? Ass-hole!

What a kneeslapper!

**Gigabitch** · 23-10-09, 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by doppelgaenger

wahahahahahahaha!

His manners are impeccable.

**vashti** · 23-10-09, 03:54 AM

Originally Posted by Gigabitch

His manners are impeccable.

He's also really smart.

**doppelgaenger** · 23-10-09, 04:21 AM

I'm like Cameron. I like to be spanked.

**IndiReloaded** · 23-10-09, 05:23 AM

Originally Posted by vashti

Again, who cares about the world? We are talking American states. And BTW - my city ranks pretty high, or at least it does according to Forbes. We were ranked number 18 out of the top 100 places to live a couple of years ago.

You DO live in a nice part of Cali, but still too far from the ocean (for me).

FYI, the Forbes 2009 Top 20 doesn't have a single US city on the list. In fact, the only NA cities were Canadian (Vancouver was 4th, Ottawa & Toronto also made the list), the rest were from NZ/Oz and Urp.

Anyway, glad you are proud of your home. Its way better than saying "yea, my home sucks". But, just putting it in perspective.

**IndiReloaded** · 23-10-09, 05:25 AM

Originally Posted by Cbrider

If Australia was an option I would be bouncing out on the next plane to take off, FedEx included.

Here's the Forbes list:

Australia is great. I'd move there in a heartbeat. Might, in fact.

[url]http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/27/cities-best-live-lifestyle-real-estate-best-places-to-live_slide_2.html?thisspeed=25000[/url]

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