Who should have made the move, me or her?

[Maple1714]

Okay fair point I suppose. I have never asked a guy out and its not coz I fear rejection.. Its coz I am old fashioned lol and like to be courted a little.. I am a strong believer in equality but when it comes to making the first move-I do expect men to do it.

I have pursued men before, but only after they've expressed interest and of course I find them attractive too. Most of the time I don't have to do too much work, but sometimes guys/men need a little nudge to get the ball rolling at the speed I desire.

In my experience, most men have sat there "watching from afar" until I have initiated something first. They doubt whether I am interested so I have to tell/show them. I would rather seek men out who I am attracted to and go get them vs. wiating for them. But, I guess this method hasn't really provided me with the type of man I really want...a strong one. SHM in confusion.

[michelle23]

lol whatever. The reality is I dont need to pursue guys. Sit back and wait for them to come to me. Its simple really... If I set up a dating profile now-I wouldnt need to do any first moves.. Just saying.

its not game playing. its just common sense. My ex had a whole network of girls trying to get his attention. He pursued me-the only one who was like "meh whatever"

[actualgoodguy]

The way I rationalize it is that guys have to put up with rejection put women have to deal with childbirth lol. Both suck, but actually I'd probably pick getting rejected 100 times over having to give birth haha.....yeah I guess you women do really have it worse after all

[pcmaster]

When women get rejected she will find imperfections in a guy and basicaly it will be guys fault. She will say she dont like him cause hes bad in some way. Especialy noticed this one overweight girls with low confidence. Its like natural defense mechanism for them.

We guys think that if women reject us that means we are not a real men or something. We ussually quietly take the blame rather then talk with friends about what a useless girl she was.

So in any case its guys fault whos fault it is.

[michelle23]

I have pursued men before, but only after they've expressed interest and of course I find them attractive too. Most of the time I don't have to do too much work, but sometimes guys/men need a little nudge to get the ball rolling at the speed I desire.

In my experience, most men have sat there "watching from afar" until I have initiated something first. They doubt whether I am interested so I have to tell/show them. I would rather seek men out who I am attracted to and go get them vs. wiating for them. But, I guess this method hasn't really provided me with the type of man I really want...a strong one. SHM in confusion.

Im only interested in confident, assertive men as I feel they are the only ones you can really trust. And I dont mean men who just pretend to be confident with all that cocky BS. I mean men who truly ARE confident, with high self-esteem. I would have no issue dropping a few subtle hints or even getting a friend to flat out tell him I like him lol but I would want him to make the move and ask me out

[michelle23]

The way I rationalize it is that guys have to put up with rejection put women have to deal with childbirth lol. Both suck, but actually I'd probably pick getting rejected 100 times over having to give birth haha.....yeah I guess you women do really have it worse after all

childbirth is nothing like what you see on the movies. If there is nothing wrong and everything goes really smoothly-then its not that bad as far as I know. Plus at that stage women stop caring about herself temporarily and in those hours of labor, the only thing that matters is the child. The adrenaline takes over which helps ease the pain.. I have never heard a woman complain about the pain of child birth. Ever. Coz the baby is worth it.

[actualgoodguy]

lol whatever. The reality is I dont need to pursue guys. Sit back and wait for them to come to me. Its simple really... If I set up a dating profile now-I wouldnt need to do any first moves.. Just saying.

its not game playing. its just common sense. My ex had a whole network of girls trying to get his attention. He pursued me-the only one who was like "meh whatever"

That's cause guys want sex more, that's the reason men pursue women in the first place. If you're a very attractive women this works. Most guys you will get though will only be looking for some p***y but every now and then you will find a genuine guy, a lot of sifting if you're patient.

[actualgoodguy]

I have never heard a woman complain about the pain of child birth. Ever.

Have you talked with your mom since you were born?

[surfhb2]

Good Guy.....you need therapy

Please get some next week. At best, pay for a relationship coach to get some feed back on your bad dating beliefs

[Wakeup]

What? You mean he isn't just posting to get a rise, Surf? O.o

[surfhb2]

No....I think this guy is seriously whacked

[Maple1714]

childbirth is nothing like what you see on the movies. If there is nothing wrong and everything goes really smoothly-then its not that bad as far as I know. Plus at that stage women stop caring about herself temporarily and in those hours of labor, the only thing that matters is the child. The adrenaline takes over which helps ease the pain.. I have never heard a woman complain about the pain of child birth. Ever. Coz the baby is worth it.

You should watch a true-life video of a woman giving birth....

Of course the pain is forgotten as soon as it's over, but child birth is probably the most physically painfully thing a human goes through. That's how physical pain works though...it's forgotten the second it's passed. The vagina opening tears dude...rips open...

[Wakeup]

How on earth can someone who's never given birth says "its not that bad" WTF? It hurts like fvck and the only reason they don't complain is because it immediately stops once the little rug rat is free.

[surfhb2]

No.....passing a kidney stone kicks child birth ass any day of the week

[Wakeup]

^^^ You're right... I've had both and the damn kidney stone hurt three times as long and twice as much. (no reprieve in between contractions either).