Do you think memories weigh anything?

[DoesntMatter]

Um, lovejoy, what is YOUR motivation for attacking me just now?

Her motivation was probably the same as mine, you are incredibly grating and your superiority complex is one of the worst I have ever seen. You think you are brilliant and always, ALWAYS will belittle other people if they give you any reason to think otherwise and make every effort you can to establish yourself as the superior "intellect." You care WAY too much about it. Maybe lovesjoyajm, like me, gets IRRITATED at you for that?

[Mish]

I'm still not sure I follow. What sort of "repeated tasks" are you talking about?

I'm a bit dense today...

For example, at work being glued to the computer screen and being unaware of your surroundings blocking out everything that doesn't have anything to do with the task at hand. I found that it's possible to both do your job and at the same time being mindful of what goes on around you.

[IndiReloaded]

Her motivation was probably the same as mine, you are incredibly grating and your superiority complex is one of the worst I have ever seen. You think you are brilliant and always, ALWAYS will belittle other people if they give you any reason to think otherwise and make every effort you can to establish yourself as the superior "intellect." You care WAY too much about it. Maybe lovesjoyajm, like me, gets IRRITATED at you for that?

LOL, DM. Don't you see the irony? *I* don't care at all.

But what you are doing is showing how very much you DO care. Same for LJJ & Gott. Why so much? You choose what you respond to.

You young ones need to learn the difference b/t attacking an idea (valid) and a person (not). Gott decided to attack me personally instead of critiquing an idea. It generally doesn't work out as planned, as he found, but that's his lesson to learn. Shrug.

Anyway, thanks for answering for LJJ.

[ecojeanne]

Her motivation was probably the same as mine, you are incredibly grating and your superiority complex is one of the worst I have ever seen. You think you are brilliant and always, ALWAYS will belittle other people if they give you any reason to think otherwise and make every effort you can to establish yourself as the superior "intellect." You care WAY too much about it. Maybe lovesjoyajm, like me, gets IRRITATED at you for that?

not trying to be controversial but i totally agree

[IndiReloaded]

But you don't make a big deal about it, Eco. Same as I don't about the fact you are an irritating twat. I still love you.

[Mish]

Oh come one ppl. Give Indi a break. Indi is awesome!

I didn't follow this thread, but don't take something she might have said out of context, that context being she is a great person with a lot of meaningful and good advice.

[ecojeanne]

i also agree that she gives great advice

[DoesntMatter]

LOL, DM. Don't you see the irony? *I* don't care at all.

But what you are doing is showing how very much you DO care. Same for LJJ & Gott. Why so much? You choose what you respond to.

You young ones need to learn the difference b/t attacking an idea (valid) and a person (not). Gott decided to attack me personally instead of critiquing an idea. It generally doesn't work out as planned, as he found, but that's his lesson to learn. Shrug.

Anyway, thanks for answering for LJJ.

We both care about something here. The difference is in what we care about. You care about coming off as the smartest and the most intellectual, and you attack peoples ideas and the person all the time. I also do both, that is attacking a persons ideas and the person

"Caring" isn't exactly the word for me, it's more like pissed off. You are actually a shit ton like my roommate, and we flame each other sometimes because I get pissed off when he says things so much like certain things you say. I could have been a passive observer lurking the boards for some time and would have gotten pissed off at a lot of the things you said because I happen to find them so wrong. Like even when you said Neo misunderstood something he didn't, I got pissed off

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But you DO attack the person a lot. A LOT. Just an example to come to mind with me:

In one other thread you said I was a boy playing with guns pretending to be a man and that if I had the balls of a man I would join the military. Aside from the fact that guns have use outside the military, I reminded you that I applied for and received a full ride ROTC scholarship but was later disqualified for medications I take. You then attacked me in the next post by mocking me for the medications I take and disparaging me by claiming the Army didn't take me because I was "crazy."

Your response was completely irrelevant to our argument and what we were talking about. But I had a proper response to what you said, and you came back with a personal attack. That was your response, and it didn't justify your earlier claims that I was a pussy for not being in the military. I backed myself up and you had a personal attack as your response

I'm not saying that's wrong or right, because I would have done the same if I felt like it, but don't say that you don't use personal attacks because you do all the time, although most are more subtle

[DoesntMatter]

that context being she is a great person with a lot of meaningful and good advice.

i also agree that she gives great advice

There is a place on this forum where advice is given?

[Petit Papillon]

Military sucks and it's good You didn't go there DM To prove You're a real man,You can do it by showing some respect to women and kicking some women-boxers asses Tho I think playing with gun is crap. There is too much accidents where people die for no clue because of other people having gun... Leave it to police. But You can always play with water gun, that's fun
PS. gun is made to kill... not to have fun

[IndiReloaded]

We both care about something here. The difference is in what we care about. You care about coming off as the smartest and the most intellectua

DM, just grow up already. You know very well (along with every other regular here) there was a context to those posts you mention. You never, ever start out insulting people or their culture or beliefs, do you? You just cry when someone actually calls you on your crap.

You expect b/c I am who I am that I should just let you behave like some animal? With behaviour & comments you would *never* do to my face as a student?

I've never claimed to be 'smartest or most intellectual'. I frankly don't care. Here, we could be anyone. Guesses is the best you will usually get. Its telling that title matters to YOU, tho. "Doesn't Matter" doesn't seem to be your real motive in this.

I suppose you don't see that the more you cry foul, the more obvious your insecurities become?

Anyway, bottom line is: if you don't like my post style (many do), then just ignore it. No one is forcing you to be here, or to read anything I post. But the attention you give to my posts IS rather flattering, so I'll take it in that spirit you offer. Thanks.

Shall we get back to the proper topic now?

[Rollerderby]

Hmm, i get this all the time where i feel i cannot communicate properly with someone - i also recognize when i'm in a mind loop, but get frustrated at seeing others in one. Sometimes, i sit there on a train, and it sometimes feels so weird how we are all sharing the same journey at that moment, yet not talking to one another - completely seperate from each other.

And then sometimes i stop in my tracks as i realise that i have been thinking about (for example) what to wear to a party but then think about the whole world and the billions of people out there all doing different things at this very moment of which i know nothing about and its just the oddest feeling when that happens.

I was not around Lovejoy to answer, but this is pretty much similar to my thoughts. People have experienced so many things in life that it is built into their minds and subconscious minds. It can be as simple as someone saying something that triggers a memory and you stop paying attention to what they are saying, and start letting your mind wander...

Chi. LOL. This thread reminds me of the quote about wrong questions.

"If they can get you asking wrong questions, they don't need to worry about the answers."

Think about this, Derby.

Truthfully, there is no proof that Chi DOESN'T exist. Chi meaning universal life force. Everything is is a particle, and I'm no quantum physicist, but atom make-ups seem to resemble solar systems no?

Or maybe I am just a happier human being because I believe that everything is connected, and I am able to find peace that way. But what is my wrong question Indi?

What I meant by that was you get stuck inside your mind doing repeated tasks while oblivious to everything around you. The mind blocks out the reality and makes you unaware of your surroundings. And it makes you willingly unaware, you become a person who is outside looking in and not the one interacting with your environment.

People put up mental walls, they shut down from emotional pains. We all have 'em, I like Yggdrasil's idea about living without the box up around us. Live and let it all wash over you, and do not judge the circumstances around you. This is a hard thing to do, but if you can take it all in like a movie, and see different things from different perspectives you're going to see people more for who they really are instead of what you conceive them to be. Everyone is imperfect.

[IndiReloaded]

Truthfully, there is no proof that Chi DOESN'T exist. Chi meaning universal life force. Everything is is a particle, and I'm no quantum physicist, but atom make-ups seem to resemble solar systems no?

That's just not a valid argument, Derby. One could also say there isn't proof of teapots orbiting Pluto... are you going to argue there *might* be? Sure, but then we are back to that concept from our other thread, that there is a *chance* you might be okay stepping out in front of a speeding car. Not all ideas are created equal.

Did you read the link from that other thread? The one about critical thinking? Chi wouldn't satisfy the criteria b/c there's no test we can think of to invalidate its existence.

Don't confuse *proof* (implying fact) with *belief*. They are apples and oranges.

Or maybe I am just a happier human being because I believe that everything is connected, and I am able to find peace that way.

You can believe it. You can believe anything you want. But when you move from belief to 'fact', that is where I would say there is a problem. Too many of these people promoting chi/energy healing/homeopathy/snake oil, want you to think they are dealing with scientific fact but they are not. That's all I am really trying to say. If this is just a fun relaxation thing for you, great. I study martial arts for exactly the same reason.

But what is my wrong question Indi?

The quote I posted refers to logical fallacies, Derby. If someone can get you to make an incorrect initial assertion (chi exists) then whatever else follows will be rubbish. But how can you argue with them, when you accepted their initial (unproved) assertion?

Perhaps you have heard of this called GIGO (garbage in, garbage out). Same thing.

What tangible, testable *proof* is there that chi exists? Supply that, and I'll gladly take back that quote about chi.

People put up mental walls, they shut down from emotional pains. We all have 'em, I like Yggdrasil's idea about living without the box up around us. Live and let it all wash over you, and do not judge the circumstances around you. This is a hard thing to do, but if you can take it all in like a movie, and see different things from different perspectives you're going to see people more for who they really are instead of what you conceive them to be. Everyone is imperfect.

Of course. I like Yggs idea too. Ygg is talking about a flexible mind. But I very much doubt he means that you should leave rational thought on the floor of the box as you step outside it. Actually, one without the other is pretty much useless.

Some of the most creative minds I know are actually very rational & rigorous in how they view the world.

Same mountain top, different paths? Maybe. But I'd really have to see a Zen monk step in front of that fast moving car to believe it.

[IndiReloaded]

Truthfully, there is no proof that Chi DOESN'T exist. Chi meaning universal life force. Everything is is a particle, and I'm no quantum physicist, but atom make-ups seem to resemble solar systems no?

I'm not sure the point you are trying to make with this comment? How does it relate to what came before? Are you trying to say all life is circular or something? Sounds like some aikido philosophy.

Anyway, you are referring to the classical model of the atom, I think. We now know its more complex than the old Rutherford model, with electrons orbiting around a nucleus like planets. Ygg would be better able to comment on this if you really want details.

[Rollerderby]

Okay, so I was speaking mostly of hypnotherapy, which is recognized as a legitimate science for dealing with traumatic issues of my past. Going into the mind to find the memories which cause "after shocks" to the system. Probably not the scientific word, but basically dissecting experiences that cause triggers in my daily life.

I brought Chi into the conversation because the man who practices the hypnotherapy has also studied with Tibetan monks. The ideas we discussed dealt more with cellular memory of events that are stored in our DNA, not just our brains and nerve endings.

You yourself brought up "what the bleep do we know?" The part where the woman stares at herself in the mirror and condescends to herself. They show the microscopic slides of different water molecules with different thoughts projected at the water.

It is not totally inconceivable that if thoughts about oneself can affect one's health, on a physical, metal or emotional level, that thought can't affect other's thoughts too. Remember from our other post when I spoke about how communication is 90% non-verbal? If body language is the tangible, then it is possible that thought (and thus memory) are subconsciously exchanged. Mayhaps just on an innate caveman-like level where it is a product of evolution, and mayhaps it is something more. I'm just philosophizing.

As far as Chi and all that metaphysical stuff goes, I never actually stated it as a fact. In fact, I know that many scientists will call it bullshit. But did you know, that there are now nurses getting licensed in Reiki and the healing touch to use on patients? Maybe it's just a form of meditation, a different way of hypnotizing someone into feeling better. But there is quite a lot that we don't know about the universe. And Chi, or a universal life force may not be something one would teach in public schools, but there is an interesting energy exchange that happens when two living beings come close to each other. If you are around someone who talks too much, you walk away feeling drained, or when someone is needy or clingy you want to pull away. Versus someone who is cheerful and smiles, you want to be around. It's like how babies will die if you don't pick them up and hold them. Just the process of feeding them isn't enough, empathy is required too, it's part of our evolutionary make-up. Why? Maybe someone who is more empathetic makes a better doctor versus one who has poor bed-side manner. Why is laughter the best medicine? Positive stoner vibes man.

When I bring up atoms, versus solar systems, I am saying that we haven't seen the smallest of the small, it is infinite as far as we know. When I bring up solar systems, I am saying that we can only see so deep. But I think it's amazing that particles in our bodies resemble deep space.

The point of this thread originally was to discuss if memories have weight. We don't even know what makes up a memory, how the sensory input into each particle of our bodies affects our minds. I just took it a step further and included the soul in my part of the discussion. If you want to debate about soul and life source versus non-soul and non- life source, make a new thread.