Mum or Law?

[Charlie Boy II]

Qwerty, I actually agree with you. It's just .... it's my mum. I don't know if it's a son/mother thing, but there's pretty much nothing I wouldn't do to protect my mum if she was in danger.

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[Petit Papillon]

Somehow i knew it's Meatloaf ,before I saw it was him This beginning sounds like ' I would do anything for love...'

[Junket]

I run a red light regularly most mornings.

I'm such a rebel.

[IndiReloaded]

Oh, and its not about integrity for me, its about people taking responsibility for their actions. Something that doesnt happen too often.

IMO they are related. I define integrity as consistency in one's morality. So, in a way, I have most respect for Doc's position. He would choose his mom, but wouldn't hold it against anyone else if they did likewise, and thumbs his nose at most laws restricting person freedom, especially where they don't directly affect other people. Its not my philosophy (socialist upbringing, yep) and I don't agree with it, but I can appreciate it for its self-consistency.

Its this scenario of Qwerts that I object to:

You people that say you would lie..if it were the other way around and someone knocked down your child/parent/sibling or someone close to you, i bet you would be pissed off if the driver got away with it because their son/daughter lied about the speed they were travelling at.

It fits with this entire "Me First" attitude I see all the time, with a general loss of consideration for others that undermines otherwise smooth social interactions. Everyone thinks its okay they are the exception, but they don't consider what happens when everyone takes this attitude. The exception becomes the rule, with all the chaos that ensues. But the solution IMO, isn't more rules, its fewer of them, broader scope based on common sense and good that are more consistently enforced. Tougher judges, teachers, police who are supported in their decisions and not swayed by poor someone's upbringing or drug cocktail of the week they happen to be taking. Or even how 'nice' they are. If someone gets hurt or dies b/c you choose to ignore a law to prevent those kinds of accidents, then you accept the punishment that society decides for you. That is all.

[vashti]

Qwerty, I actually agree with you. It's just .... it's my mum. I don't know if it's a son/mother thing, but there's pretty much nothing I wouldn't do to protect my mum if she was in danger.

I would NEVER help put my kid in jail for an accident. NEVER. I would only help if he were a serial killer or a child molester or something.

[Perryville]

I would choose my mom, but I would hate it for the rest of my life.

[IndiReloaded]

I would NEVER help put my kid in jail for an accident. NEVER. I would only help if he were a serial killer or a child molester or something.

Interesting. So, if your child was dumb enough to choose to drive drunk and kill someone else's child, you would lie about it?

What about those 'animals' we discussed before who gang-raped that teenage girl? If you were one of those boys parents, would lie for them too?

This kind of attitude gets too close to Dopple's post about his mom enabling his messed up brother.

I think a better question might be: if your mom was to go to prison, would you go in her place? THAT I might do for my young son, same as I would accept any financial consequence of a mistake he makes at this age, but I wouldn't lie about it.

[vashti]

Interesting. So, if your child was dumb enough to choose to drive drunk and kill someone else's child, you would lie about it?

What about those 'animals' we discussed before who gang-raped that teenage girl? If you were one of those boys parents, would lie for them too?

This kind of attitude gets too close to Dopple's post about his mom enabling his messed up brother.

I think a better question might be: if your mom was to go to prison, would you go in her place? THAT I might do for my young son, same as I would accept any financial consequence of a mistake he makes at this age, but I wouldn't lie about it.

Drunk driving, a first offense? Yes, I would lie.
Raping a girl? No - that's a violent crime, not an accident.
Would I go to jail for my kid? Yes. My mother? Probably not. She is better-suited for prison life than I would be, but I believe I would fare better than either of my kids.

And just for clarification, my kid isn't anything at all like lilwing's brother. Other than gender, they do not appear to have a single thing in common, so fortunately I won't have to see if I am an "enabler".

[qwertz]

Drunk driving, a first offense? Yes, I would lie.
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You would lie, even if he killed someone?

[vashti]

You would lie, even if he killed someone?

if I knew it would keep him out of jail, and he had no previous history of such bad behavior? Yes. Quite honestly, I think most mothers would. That's why they are considered bad witnesses in the courtroom. It's a normal maternal response to protect your child.

As I said before, I don't think they make parents testify against their children for this reason.

[Charlie Boy II]

yeah, the testimony of immediate family is pretty much disregarded. Even if not deliberately lying, natural affection for another family member tends to skew recollection. I think most people, in the hypothetical would be most likely to remember that there mother had in fact been travelling within the speed limit.

[doppelgaenger]

Well, I understand Vashti's response, and I don't see the comparison to my brother, honestly.

[vashti]

Well, I understand Vashti's response, and I don't see the comparison to my brother, honestly.

I agree. It seems to me that your brother has a long history of bad behavior that your mom has felt obligated to intervene with. My kid doesn't. He's a straight arrow. If there was a history of bad behavior, I might let him go to jail.

[Asip4u]

I would definitely lie simply because i think if there is one person in my life that deserves to be protected and given a second chance, it would be her.