Longing to be loved

[pcmaster]

So back to dating game ! Really since I created this topic Im still Longing To Be Loved.

Had a pretty long date yesterday. SO I met this 26 Y.O. girl who works in ambulance and also doctors assistant. She have 3 jobs for now. And here I am sitting at home and getting paid lol.

Anyway we met near the bridge and I gave her a red rose (This is becoming my trademark in dating world). She reminded me - me when I first started to date. She seemed nervous, even more afraid than I was. We went deep into restaurant and there were couples only. Talked about stuff and of course I paid. Then we went for a walk and she was telling me about suicide cases shes seen in her work and it was interesting. But there was a lot of silence too that didnt seemed too awkward cause its like we both were quiet persons. Anyway I found out that she never been in tee house. So we went to drink tea and talked for another half and hour.(3 hour long date total My ussual is 2 hours for the first date. But since she said shes not rushing as she is free, so I spend a little more time with her by going to tea house) Then I escorted her to her home what was only like 10 min away. Then at her house she stopped and I said "Thanks for the night, thanks for the company." And I kept walking my way along the street but she standed at her house. Was thinking I could give her peck on a cheek, but didnt. Did she waited for something? Could I could have had sex with her? She looked so beautiful as I left her, looking at me with her beautiful eyes and pretty face. Just standing there looking how I walked away.

Anyway she works today in two jobs. I said " So you have fulfilled day." and she said "Not really just till 19.00 then Im free." Is this a hint? Are shes DTF?(Down To ****). Or she want another meeting since I was a real gentleman and didnt touch her?

Its really confusing where the boundaries with this girl are cause first girl was inviting me to her home even before first date and every time we ended up almost having sex. Second girl didnt wanted any contact and said beginning with me was easy because I didnt wanted anything(I didnt touched her at first date too but after second date said I want her to be my GF).

Guess I will invite myself over to her place and then try to advance. Its a mystery how experienced or inexperienced this girl is. Really have chatted very little over FB unlike with previous girls. This is the situation where I have to handle uncertainty and still be able to take action.

I like kissing and making out and all those little things but I want to do it more because I want to progress with a girl, want to keep her interested in seeing me and yeah just want to see how far things can go - where is the boundaries.

[Hooo!]

Anyway we met near the bridge and I gave her a red rose (This is becoming my trademark in dating world).
please do not become a trademark
please do not give gifts for people who are meeting you. are you such a strange person that you have to give other people gifts in order for them to see you?
you think its cute? maybe, but cute doesnt fit your personality.
She reminded me - me when I first started to date. She seemed nervous, even more afraid than I was. We went deep into restaurant and there were couples only. Talked about stuff and of course I paid.
you paid for her time (again) and repeatedly. This is not necessary anymore. Today a women or another dude is well capable to pay on their own.
If you like to treat people to dinner - you can treat me for dinner if you like. no? why not? Same goes for the girl.
Then we went for a walk and she was telling me about suicide cases shes seen in her work and it was interesting. But there was a lot of silence too that didnt seemed too awkward cause its like we both were quiet persons.
you make sure that she enjoys her time with you. Silent akward pauses do generally nothing for them to enjoy the time
Anyway I found out that she never been in tee house. So we went to drink tea and talked for another half and hour.(3 hour long date total My ussual is 2 hours for the first date. But since she said shes not rushing as she is free, so I spend a little more time with her by going to tea house)
get rid of your date mentality. You spend this and that amount of resources on that number of dates. It is not working. Not for you - nor for anyone.
You spend time with a beautiful girl you came to meet. You want to find out who she is and if there can be anything more serious. The "dating" idea puts labels on that are not helping you
Then I escorted her to her home what was only like 10 min away. Then at her house she stopped and I said "Thanks for the night, thanks for the company." And I kept walking my way along the street but she standed at her house. Was thinking I could give her peck on a cheek, but didnt.
peck on the cheek? please hell no. You are not gay, so why would you give her a peck on a cheek? you look her in the eye while thanking her for the night and the company and wait for her response.
Did she waited for something? Could I could have had sex with her? who knows, but because you have obviously had no kino (kinestetiv escalation) at all everything from this point on will be akward. Even if she was dtf and horny as 10 rabbit you would probably have met lmr in the bedroom, because of akwardness.
Touching each other is nice and natural. Dont think about it.
If you walk along offer her your arm, hold her hand whatever. Let her sit on your lap. Look her in the eyes. It doesnt matter.She looked so beautiful as I left her, looking at me with her beautiful eyes and pretty face. Just standing there looking how I walked away.
perfect time for you to tell her that? heartfelt compliment.

Anyway she works today in two jobs. I said " So you have fulfilled day." and she said "Not really just till 19.00 then Im free." Is this a hint? Are shes DTF?(Down To ****). Or she want another meeting since I was a real gentleman and didnt touch her?
ask her then if you want. We have a classic example here: You dont know who she really is. You paid for her to be with you for three hours. Now she tells you she is free this evening and you now want to go put your dick on her shoulder.
Well... This escalated quickly.
Maybe she needs someone to ****, maybe she doesnt. Why dont you just go and find out? Enjoy yourselfs - including body contact. Be interested in her.

Its really confusing where the boundaries with this girl are cause first girl was inviting me to her home even before first date and every time we ended up almost having sex.
missing confidence? Second girl didnt wanted any contact and said beginning with me was easy because I didnt wanted anything(I didnt touched her at first date too but after second date said I want her to be my GF).woha! that escalated quickly. again.

Guess I will invite myself over to her place and then try to advance. Its a mystery how experienced or inexperienced this girl is. Really have chatted very little over FB unlike with previous girls. This is the situation where I have to handle uncertainty and still be able to take action. does it matter how experienced she is? your actions stay the same

I like kissing and making out and all those little things but I want to do it more because I want to progress with a girl, want to keep her interested in seeing me and yeah just want to see how far things can go - where is the boundaries.

If you come upon a boundary that usually just means you did something wrong 1 or 2 or 3 steps earlier.
If she doesnt want anal or fetish sex or something - that might be her side of the boundary. However the boundaries you come upon are not her (general) boundaries. They are just (her) boundaries for you.

[pcmaster]

Well we have cultural differences Hoo. Here in Latvia flowers are simple thing and on womans day a flower to GF or mum is a must(I read in news that wife snached off husband testicle because she didnt recieve flowers on womans day).One year I didnt gave my mum flowers on womans day and she kicked me out of the house until I bough her a flower. Also we are more old school here and some girls are used that guys pay for them while others wont even meet a guy if he dont pay for her. Still it looks like in my dates girls are ready to pay for themselves and with second girl she even paid for both despite that I wanted to pay. I like that girls are not used when guy pays for them but I like to pay on first date. You know just showing that Im interested in a girl. Or at least showing that I have the money lol.

Also my work colleague said that girls are expecting guys to pay on a dates. And hes a pretty social guy.

However Im going crazy. Must be spring hormones kicking in. Will just meet a girl once a week if she wants. Soonest this Sunday.

[TheEvilJester]

I agree with a lot of what Hooo had to say here. You are putting way too much importance in what is "normal" in what you "should" do, etc. There is no "normal" there is no "should." Just do what feels right for the situation. Don't worry so much about physical contact. Do that when it feels natural, when it feels right. If she's open to it, great, if she's not then that is something to consider. Maybe that is a sign she's not the right match. If you are forcing it, then it is much more likely to feel awkward to her because it really feels awkward to you.

When it comes to sex... that as well you should do when it feels right. No two people are alike. Some women may want sex on the first date, some may want a serious relationship first. If you aren't ready, don't feel like you have to force yourself. If she isn't ready, then you have to respect that. Mind you, that doesn't mean you just have to wait for somebody forever. If their timeline doesn't match yours.... if you want to take things more seriously and it seems like they don't want that soon enough for you... you're not wrong to just move on.

But, when you are dating somebody, stop worrying so much about what this or that means. Just enjoy her company and let things flow naturally in whatever way that seems to work for that particular relationship. Believe me, you CAN overthink these things, and it sounds to me like this is just what you are doing.

[pcmaster]

Yeah I think Im overthinking too. Thinking more realistically there was no opening for sex. It was just in my mind that she wanted it.
However now we are chatting and she asks what impression she left no me yesterday.

[CleanCut]

Well we have cultural differences Hoo. Here in Latvia flowers are simple thing and on womans day a flower to GF or mum is a must(I read in news that wife snached off husband testicle because she didnt recieve flowers on womans day).One year I didnt gave my mum flowers on womans day and she kicked me out of the house until I bough her a flower. Also we are more old school here and some girls are used that guys pay for them while others wont even meet a guy if he dont pay for her. Still it looks like in my dates girls are ready to pay for themselves and with second girl she even paid for both despite that I wanted to pay. I like that girls are not used when guy pays for them but I like to pay on first date. You know just showing that Im interested in a girl. Or at least showing that I have the money lol.

Also my work colleague said that girls are expecting guys to pay on a dates. And hes a pretty social guy.

However Im going crazy. Must be spring hormones kicking in. Will just meet a girl once a week if she wants. Soonest this Sunday.

Damn, sounds like women are even crazier in your country than in the US, which I didn't think was possible. Anyways, as we talked about before, I've been there before and virginity at that age is very tough to break out of, but it's possible since I did it last summer at the age of 31. Spring and summer are the best times to find willing woman for sure. Make sure that you have learned some good social skills, and press hard on the online dating sites during this season and next season as they are the busiest times.

And again, I stress the biggest thing to remember is just stay cool and realize that sex really isn't as big of a thing than you and society have built up to be in your mind. Get a couple dates in with a girl, then ask her over for the 3rd so you can do lots of cuddling and kissing to get things going during a movie, show, or game or something. You must be the one to take the actions that lead to the bedroom fun or you'll never make it there and at least act fully confidant all the time, even if you don't feel it, a little cockiness is ok too, this wasn't in my nature originally, but after I developed some cockiness combined with smoothness and a little of my natural comedic personality, things became much easier with women and socializing in general for me and the awkwardness eventually faded away.

Oh, and "touching" on some level even on a first date is extremely important! I usually do online dating and even upon first meeting, I always hug the girl to break the ice, even that little gesture makes a world of difference and opens you up for hand holding and maybe even kissing later on and makes you even more of a "gentleman" per say even if you may think it doesn't. Showing a girl that you are confidant in all your actions, even small ones, is a huge help.

If the social part of it is still not feeling comfortable for you, then keep putting yourself in social situations daily and it will get better, go do things with friends or find new friends at local hangouts or use sites like meetup.com to find groups of people that like doing things that you enjoy.

Keep pushing yourself hard daily and you will eventually find that all the dating and socializing parts actually become very enjoyable instead of stressful.

[pcmaster]

Thanks CleanCut. Im getting better at socialazing. Just the first date is ussualy nerve wrecking to me. After that I feel much better and things are easier. So you say girls are most active in spring and summer. That makes sense. I actually planed to have sex in summer cause then my hormone levels will be highest and I will want sex a lot so should be easier to push past barriers and think with a small head instead of big one.

Props to you for doing it at age 31. Most guys would have given up on girls at that time. And even a lot of girls would have given up knowing this fact about guy.

Its hard to be a virgin cause I feel like girls think Im normal guy, but I feel like zero in bedroom. Also theres this pressure of having sex while girls dont care to develop feelings or have commitment or care about my feelings or what I want.

[CleanCut]

Thanks CleanCut. Im getting better at socialazing. Just the first date is ussualy nerve wrecking to me. After that I feel much better and things are easier. So you say girls are most active in spring and summer. That makes sense. I actually planed to have sex in summer cause then my hormone levels will be highest and I will want sex a lot so should be easier to push past barriers and think with a small head instead of big one.

Props to you for doing it at age 31. Most guys would have given up on girls at that time. And even a lot of girls would have given up knowing this fact about guy.

Its hard to be a virgin cause I feel like girls think Im normal guy, but I feel like zero in bedroom. Also theres this pressure of having sex while girls dont care to develop feelings or have commitment or care about my feelings or what I want.

I totally get that, there's no specific "season for sex" per say, but there are just a lot of things going on during the Spring and Summer that bring people out and put them in a "fun" mood is all I mean't. I was really worried about my "first time" initially too, but once you get a girl into the bedroom and undressed, just start lightly I started my first time having sex with lying the girl down undressing her, then start in with some deep kissing and just keep planting kisses down her neck, breasts, kiss/lick her nipples as you pass them, then her stomach and then move on to kissing and giving some tongue action to her clit. This is a good starting basic foreplay and will also open her up to do some oral on you to get you going. Once you are fully aroused as well, just ease yourself into her already stimulated and ready pussy and continue kissing and fondling her as you move your hips back and forth into her. Do all this with some confidence and it will never even cross her mind that you are a virgin. I actually discovered that even though it was my first time, that I was actually really good at sex and could go as long as I wanted to. Some of the sessions I had with that girl lasted nearly 3 hours with many different positions and very enjoyable, even though the first time with her I didn't even ejaculate, which was a little disappointing at first, for me I found out that with that specific girl anyways that entering her from the rear angle when she was laying face down on the bed was much more stimulating for both of us as that way I could easily reach around the front of her and play with her clit as I did her which she really enjoyed. I dated that girl for about 2 months and got to have sex with her 6 times so it made for some great practice and helped me a lot. Just remember sex is all about mutual fun, just do what you think she will enjoy and in turn it will be very enjoyable for you as well.

One thing I did mess up on my first time with that girl is that I couldn't get her damn bra off so she eventually had to take it off on her own, which may have been a hint to her that I was inexperienced, I suggest learning this before hand and learn to do it with one hand as it is much easier; even if you have to buy a bra to practice on it will be worth it if you want to avoid that issue and if you do what I mentioned above and are able to get her fully undressed without her having to help as well, she will never even have a hint that you were a virgin as it won't matter at all anyways if you please her in the ways I mentioned.

[pcmaster]

Wow so you really went great lenghts to have sex.

For me it was much easier since girl undressed herself. But yeah first time kissing I tried to remove her bra too and she asked what are you doing? Her breasts was so big that I could get them out of bra without taking it off.
I remember I was trying to find a clit but dint find it so assumed she didnt have one - like its so tiny that I cant feel it. So I spend good few minutes stimulating her invisible clit until she asked - what are you doing? Then I stopped but did find her clit hours later it was much deeper than I could imagine.

However Im still proud that I didnt had sex with her cause most guys wouldnt resist. She said it never happened to her before that guy didnt wanted to have sex with her. But I was sure if I tried to have sex then would cum pretty fast since my two fingers felt tight inside of her. She said Im not the first guy who says shes very tight.

So not completely a virgin despite that I didnt let her suck my D but she did sucked my index finger - felt good. She was right shes good at sucking.

Also one of the reasons I didnt wanted to have sex is because I knew it would be perfect without condom but she wanted me to wear one. Its easier for you guys in US cause pills are popular there but here girls dont want to use pills.

[CleanCut]

Wow so you really went great lenghts to have sex.

For me it was much easier since girl undressed herself. But yeah first time kissing I tried to remove her bra too and she asked what are you doing? Her breasts was so big that I could get them out of bra without taking it off.
I remember I was trying to find a clit but dint find it so assumed she didnt have one - like its so tiny that I cant feel it. So I spend good few minutes stimulating her invisible clit until she asked - what are you doing? Then I stopped but did find her clit hours later it was much deeper than I could imagine.

However Im still proud that I didnt had sex with her cause most guys wouldnt resist. She said it never happened to her before that guy didnt wanted to have sex with her. But I was sure if I tried to have sex then would cum pretty fast since my two fingers felt tight inside of her. She said Im not the first guy who says shes very tight.

So not completely a virgin despite that I didnt let her suck my D but she did sucked my index finger - felt good. She was right shes good at sucking.

Also one of the reasons I didn't wanted to have sex is because I knew it would be perfect without condom but she wanted me to wear one. Its easier for you guys in US cause pills are popular there but here girls dont want to use pills.

Well, if you got that far with one, then you shouldn't have any troubles continuing to the sex part shouldn't be a problem at all then, yea most girls here that date for fun, do use birth control pills, as did the first one I was with so I didn't have to use a condom for my first time. However, if you get a good condom, like Trojan Thintensity for example, which is what I use, you really can barely even tell the difference.

But yea, the next time you get a good healthy girl in that position, just go for it. I definitely would of have gone down on her in that situation, no reason not to, just keep a stock of good condoms and you should be good to go for most situations.

Don't worry about how long you'll last before ejaculation the first time. You got to start somewhere. Also I was surprised to find that actual sex seemed less intensely stimulating than masturbation. So, you could be like my first time and last a lot longer than you think. Also, know that even good condoms will lessen the stimulation a little bit, so that will make you last a bit longer as well.

[pcmaster]

Yeah thanks for condom suggestion. Cause I want my first time to be fcking good at least in terms of pleasure. We dont have Trojans here but I will order them from ebay. Here best we have is Durex and LifeStyle.

Yeah its like in that 9gag meme about having sex for first time- I realized I was squeezing it too hard !

You know I was surprised that it felt weird when she was touching my D. Maybe because I wasnt relaxed or in the moment but it for sure felt much diferent, like alienated or something. I always removed her hand once it got too weird where I started to get aroused.

[CleanCut]

Yeah thanks for condom suggestion. Cause I want my first time to be fcking good at least in terms of pleasure. We dont have Trojans here but I will order them from ebay. Here best we have is Durex and LifeStyle.

Cool, yea I get mine from Amazon. Don't expect your first time to be perfect, but yea when you do actually reach climax with a woman it is certainly an incredibly fulfilling feeling for sure; gives an awesome boost to your real confidence as well and much smoother future sailing

[Hooo!]

bullshit. i know latvia. where you come from in latvia anyhow?
And since it aint womens day and since you bring possibly no really a small roadside picked daisy as a nice gesture but like a whole red rose (totally overdoing it)
it is really overdone. Its not pleasent. Its pompous. Its not considerate its bribery.
If I saw a little daisy at the roadside and brought it to the girl id be like: "hey i have brought you flowers" and then give her this roadside daisy. Probably telling her how you saw it all alone and lonely by the roadside and how it needed someone sweet along its side, so you took it to give her or something.
That would be overly romantically dramatic - but probably still within reason.
Buying a big red rose is just bribery.

I know for a fact that the old school paying thing is just not true. There are many girls in latvia who hunt guys for the money. Stay away from them.
If they are really interested in you then they wont need you to pay for the bill.
Take another example: lets say we meet up in latvia and go some place for food. We dine a bit and have a good time. Would you consider paying my meal?
Well i certainly wouldnt pay yours.
If im out with my friends then i will treat them to a beer or even a meal at the restaurant. But that i only do for people who already mean something to me - not some random good looking girl.
If shes freaked out by that and complains then Id tell her that i pay for dinner if we can go to her place afterwards...
She is working too, so why doesnt she pay you dinner?
She wont consider it. So why should you.
Its like buying girls a drink at the discotek. You ever noticed how the guys buying the drinks and the guys getting the girls are two seperate groups?

There is another aspect to it: You say they are used to it. And that is a problem. If you fullfill everything that they are expected from guys who bribe themselves up to them then you will fall in the category "next loser" just like the other guys.

You like to pay on first date because you feel they owe you then. And that is really another aspect of needyness and bribery.
Also it displays that her time has a higher value than your time.
you can see this topic discussed by most puas and almost all of them agree with me (or rather i agree with them) see for example
girlschase.com/content/should-you-pay-date


i dont understand why you meet a girl "once a week"
is it like your football training that you have once a week?

I agree with a lot of what Hooo had to say here. You are putting way too much importance in what is "normal" in what you "should" do, etc. There is no "normal" there is no "should." Just do what feels right for the situation. Don't worry so much about physical contact. Do that when it feels natural, when it feels right. If she's open to it, great, if she's not then that is something to consider. Maybe that is a sign she's not the right match. If you are forcing it, then it is much more likely to feel awkward to her because it really feels awkward to you. i want to add that pcmaster does not have a good grasp for what is akward and what is not. Since i dont think its a good idea. Generally being yourself is a good advice if that gets you results. However that does not get him results...

When it comes to sex... that as well you should do when it feels right. No two people are alike. Some women may want sex on the first date, some may want a serious relationship first. If you aren't ready, don't feel like you have to force yourself. If she isn't ready, then you have to respect that. Mind you, that doesn't mean you just have to wait for somebody forever. If their timeline doesn't match yours.... if you want to take things more seriously and it seems like they don't want that soon enough for you... you're not wrong to just move on. the problem like above is that he cannot distinguish wether she is ready or not, since he has no baseline yet to draw upon. He is also paying so much attention to what he does instead of just paying attention to what she does (and then knowing what it means). That is why he gets to sudden "dead ends" because he misinterpreted and did something akward/socially not fitting

But, when you are dating somebody, stop worrying so much about what this or that means. Just enjoy her company and let things flow naturally in whatever way that seems to work for that particular relationship. Believe me, you CAN overthink these things, and it sounds to me like this is just what you are doing.

again. This advice is wonderful, but with akward people who dont know how to behave with women that is no use. If he treats them like his other computer nerd friends (possibly?!) or like he would treat me or you it will not get him the results he wants.
Being who you are and enjoying yourself is generally a good idea. However with some people being who they are is just not attracting to women.
And the reason is not who they are. The reason is what they do, how they do it and why they do it.

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i might want to add: if you are sucking her clitoris and she enjoys it
you have permission to take your dick out and go for it.
i thought that was obvious but apparently its not.

[pcmaster]

i might want to add: if you are sucking her clitoris and she enjoys it
you have permission to take your dick out and go for it.
i thought that was obvious but apparently its not.

LOL I laughted at this.

But it makes me think. If girl dont want to have sex without condom and I suck her clit then I could just stick in my D and fck her raw?

Anyway Im from Jelgava in Latvia. its like 50km from Riga where all the goldiggers are. So Im lucky not to live in Riga. Dates would be expensive there.
However I dont see a rose as overdoing. Its perfect cause its romantic and everyone around can see we have a date because girl have a rose. Also she can take it home and it will reminded her of me. And she could show it to her friends like first girl did.
I think it just makes girl feel more sure about herself like she is valued or at least take it as and indicator of interest from me.
Anyway its a nice gesture. Think positive Hooo.

I think link about paying for date is BS cause guys who ussualy dont pay for a date are more experienced thats why more successful. If experienced guy would pay for a date he still will be successful. I know a story where french guy paid for two dates with russian girl and then later used her as a booty call once a month. I chated with her and she said she wont go on a date if she would have to pay for herself. She was from Moscow BTW and now married to sugar daddy.

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So far things goes as planed. I made plans with the girl to meet sunday at her place for movies. She have only TV so I said I will bring my laptop. Downloaded some movies just now.

Also I have this champagne that friend gifted me on New year. So will make use of that wont go empty handed. Also saw some nice chocolate candy in a heart shaped candy box in shop. Pretty cheap actually. Will take one of those too.
Also ordered a plush bear on internet. It will come after 40 days so will try hard to make this last so will have chance give it to her.
Chatting on FB now about our relationship past. So basically 4 years ago she broke up with a guy after 2 year relationship. And Im the first guy she met from Tinder. besides havent seen her on other dating sites. Think I have hope.
[MENTION=85121]Hooo![/MENTION] Watch this vid untill 4:20

https://youtu.be/3dGhsRsHXP8?t=3m10s

Thats why Im paying for dates. Dont want their wallet to send this signal lol.

[CleanCut]

LOL I laughted at this.

But it makes me think. If girl dont want to have sex without condom and I suck her clit then I could just stick in my D and fck her raw?

Anyway Im from Jelgava in Latvia. its like 50km from Riga where all the goldiggers are. So Im lucky not to live in Riga. Dates would be expensive there.
However I dont see a rose as overdoing. Its perfect cause its romantic and everyone around can see we have a date because girl have a rose. Also she can take it home and it will reminded her of me. And she could show it to her friends like first girl did.
I think it just makes girl feel more sure about herself like she is valued or at least take it as and indicator of interest from me.
Anyway its a nice gesture. Think positive Hooo.

I think link about paying for date is BS cause guys who ussualy dont pay for a date are more experienced thats why more successful. If experienced guy would pay for a date he still will be successful. I know a story where french guy paid for two dates with russian girl and then later used her as a booty call once a month. I chated with her and she said she wont go on a date if she would have to pay for herself. She was from Moscow BTW and now married to sugar daddy.

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So far things goes as planed. I made plans with the girl to meet sunday at her place for movies. She have only TV so I said I will bring my laptop. Downloaded some movies just now.

Also I have this champagne that friend gifted me on New year. So will make use of that wont go empty handed. Also saw some nice chocolate candy in a heart shaped candy box in shop. Pretty cheap actually. Will take one of those too.
Also ordered a plush bear on internet. It will come after 40 days so will try hard to make this last so will have chance give it to her.
Chatting on FB now about our relationship past. So basically 4 years ago she broke up with a guy after 2 year relationship. And Im the first guy she met from Tinder. besides havent seen her on other dating sites. Think I have hope.
[MENTION=85121]Hooo![/MENTION] Watch this vid untill 4:20

https://youtu.be/3dGhsRsHXP8?t=3m10s

Thats why Im paying for dates. Dont want their wallet to send this signal lol.

Yea, I always pay for any costs when on dates, there was only one time ever when the girl actually insisted on paying, so I let her.

I guess I'm a little on the traditional side for that topic as well.