An interesting read ..

[King Zarathu]

I think 800 couples is quite sufficient. As long as Venacava and I, vashti and I, as well as Gigabitch and I weren't in those 800, the data's averages shouldn't be completely thrown off by the amount of dominance and authority the male has over the female.

[GrkScorp]

whatever, I don't get the point of this study anyway.. are they telling this to the men that want to marry Oprah or like one of the female U.S. Supreme Court Justices??? Seriously?? Are women professionals THAT popular these days??? The ones that are, are married... to their jobs.... and then.. the ones that aren't.. are Britney Spears...

Are you kidding me.. if someone else was the breadwinner, and all i had to do was look after the kids and look pretty at home... then i'd be pretty happy too!!! what a waste of research!!!

[NeoSeminole]

Zarathu says:

"Sure, the statistics speak for themselves--but how are these recorded? Easy for all 100% of students to pass a test when there was only 2 students taking it. Easy as hell to be in the top 10 of your class when there are only 8 people in it."

The statistics used in the article came from the Journal of Marriage and Family, Social Forces, American Journal of Sociology, and Institute for Social Research - all peer reviewed. I think it's safe to assume they sampled more than 10 married couples.

[King Zarathu]

The statistics used in the article came from the Journal of Marriage and Family, Social Forces, American Journal of Sociology, and Institute for Social Research - all peer reviewed. I think it's safe to assume they sampled more than 10 married couples.

But there are way too many variables when dealing with psychology--it's hard to put it in a mathmetical, arithmetic, or statistical form and say "generally..." or "typically...."

[dreamer101]

Good point, dreamer! If you're the best damn housewife in town, your genes probably blow all those CPA ladies away.

haha very funny. but those cpa ladies are really hot, i wouldn't really mind giving up my day job. but perhaps a better term than a housewife eh?

and if it were a supply-demand pattern, i would say it makes more sense to specialise in the household work market, since thats where the demand is.

but too bad nature did not intend it that way.

and something else .. i know its just my prespective, but i know many career women and work with many of them ... and well they are just as how the article described. not all, but enough to make me agree.

[Tiay]

yeah, my bullshit detector went off reading it. You wouldn't believe the amount of statistical nonsense that goes on. Anybody further interested in how to detect statistical nonsense, subscribe to the podcast QuickHitts and listen to the one called "i've got your number", or click [URL="http://www.davehitt.com/podcasts/QH_Ive_Got_Your_Number.mp3"]here[/URL].

btw, "peer reviewed" can mean nothing. Did you read the peer reviews? maybe they tear it apart, you don't know!

the best way to detect statistical BS without knowing a lot about statistics is just use common sense. Does it seem likely that a marriage in which both parents work is more likely to experience divorce?
well, I have to say, yeah, slightly. It probably means that a marriage that would otherwise have scraped along is slightly more likely to end in divorce. It does not mean that men should avoid these "CAREER WOMEN" like the pest. is it me, or was a whole new category of women invented? The 'career' women who do nothing but their jobs and let their families go to shit. I think this is only true for very few women who are truly married to their jobs (god forbid, now the guy might have to take care of the family). But this is equally true for men, and I suspect because men tend to be more competitive in their careers, a lot more men are married to their careers than women. So really, I suspect both genders are capable of focusing on their careers so much that they neglect their family, and I further suspect that men do this more than women do. Now, don't go at me with the "but somebody has to make the money!" argument. I didn't see anybody use that argument in defence of women who work.

I have to say, that womans "counterpoint" isn't a counterpoint at all, it is just "oo i'm happily married and me and my love are so happy and we always help each other and.." which is nice, but leaves her open to the argument of "well, that's just you, but that says nothing about the statistics presented".

ironically, the guy notes at the end of the study that "don't confuse correlation with causation", but he uses this to try to question another study, not his own. Remember this: statistics cannot prove anything, ever. they can only suggest.

[Tiay]

i know its just my prespective, but i know many career women and work with many of them ... and well they are just as how the article described. not all, but enough to make me agree.

I find it hard to believe that you really know how these women are at home, with their families, their marriages, etc. Also, try looking at the "career men" too. Though of course, your place of work probably doesn't represent the average, so it's not really that relevant.
If a woman works a ton and stays late a lot, people think she's neglecting her family- if a guy does the same thing, nobody thinks anything.. except maybe, damn, I gotta compete with that guy. Cos after all, i'm sure his wife is taking care of the family. In short, I think that even if (big if) the statistics are sound, it is still biased.

[Tiay]

plus.. don't you think he just looks a bit too smug?

[Junket]

I didn't even read it.

[Gigabitch]

Carreer women get divorced because they can. Period.

[Tiay]

That certainly was an interesting read.

I didn't even read it.

hmmmm...

[vashti]

I'm with giga. I don't need anything more than common sense to tell me a career woman is more likely to divorce. She has more options she can exercise than women who are home.

[King Zarathu]

Tiay is with me because I'm awesome.

Vashti is wrong because she disagrees with me.

[vashti]

Let me ask; this dumbshit claims that women who work are more likely to cheat, but are we forgetting about housewives who don't see their husbands all day long?

Please. Get real, the statistics are bullshit.

How many men do you imagine are hanging around the neighborhood during working hours? Precious few. Unless you count the pool boy.

[King Zarathu]

How many men do you imagine are hanging around the neighborhood during working hours? Precious few.

Sure, they aren't hanging around the neighborhood. But let's not forget about "Lisa, my friend I've known for 20 years, is a woman who likes to go out to parties a lot and meet men. She has a lot of friends."

Unless you count the pool boy.

So, about those leaves you wanted cleaned out....