Anal penetration for men

[DoesntMatter]

More than half the porn I watch is girl-on-girl porn

[misombra]

some people get off on freaky shit.

[Illusional]

some people get off on freaky shit.

yeah but the question is.. would you want to be with that person who gets off on these sorts of freaky fetishes??

raverboy

[mr_fahrenheit]

Sexuality is a fluid thing which can change throughout our lives.
So is gender for some people.
It's nothing to be scared of.
F**k labels - such as "straight, gay, bi, male, female, shemale" etc - we're all just people and it's ok to like or do anything which makes us feel good, as long as it doesn't harm other people.

Masturbation fantasies can be totally freaky and weird and yet not a reflection of what we really want to do in everyday life. Just ask the millions of straight women who apparently fantasise about women even though in real life they wouldn't want to be with one.
Because that's exactly what it is.. a fantasy.
It is healthy to have fantasies.

Oh by the way can I just add...

With regard to shemales, they are men who received an operation to have breasts, but they still keep their penises. So, yes, actually they are gays who have been "half transgendered".

I'm sorry but that is complete bollocks.
You obviously don't know much about transgendered people if you think that mtfs who undergo SRS are "actually gays who have been half transgendered".
Eurgh the ignorance. (No offence but urgh, the world needs educating so badly sometimes).

Transgendered means someone who to some extent feels that their gender assigned to them at birth is incongruent with what they feel/know they actually are inside. The term covers a whole spectrum of people from crossdressers to genderqueer people to transsexual people - who are generally so dysphoric and uncomfortable with their body that the only way to feel better about it is to change it a little. Incidentally, no-one would want or choose to feel that way. It's not a choice.

Also, sexuality and gender are 2 distinct, different things.
Just because someone is a boy or is a girl, that does not dictate who they are attracted to.

So actually, if she-males are as you say - male bodied people who are undergoing SRS surgery, then they are in fact women who are trying to make their bodies fit their true selves.*


Their sexuality is a different kettle of fish.
But if they like men... they would be straight, actually, not "gays".
And if they like women THEN they would be gay.. a gay female, a lesbian.

Sorry to rant so, it's just I am extremely privileged to be friends with a lot of both gay and transgendered people and it just gets my back up when I see people spouting rubbish.



*(However this might not be the case, I don't know much about she-males, perhaps for many of them it is just a novelty money-gaining thing. They are certainly NOT gay men though. How many gay men do you know who are beautiful, women-shaped and with boobs? lol. I'm sure many are genuinely transsexual though.)

[vashti]

I don't think anyone was necessarily trying to be disrespectful of transgender people. I - for one - feel a great deal of compassion for the level of alienation so many of them must experience, and I agree it was simply some sort of biological error.

But this thread isn't about the transgender person. It's about a guy who is getting off by viewing people who are clearly in some degree of crisis, or at least, that is what my line of thinking is about.

[DoesntMatter]

.. You are all far more tolerant than I am

[miSSleepy]

wow, I can't believe I missed this thread for this long

[DoesntMatter]

I used to think "transsexual" people were a result of this extreme bullshit tolerance. And they pretty much are

[Illusional]

F**k labels - such as "straight, gay, bi, male, female, shemale" etc - we're all just people and it's ok to like or do anything which makes us feel good, as long as it doesn't harm other people.

so with that being said, people who are into child porn are fine as long as they don't touch the children?? how can that not offend you?? i dunno if you got children or not, but imagine someone staring at your kid and then going home and masturbating to them.

raverboy

[mr_fahrenheit]

Lol I'm not going to get drawn into an argument. I didn't come here to debate, merely to explain something

I will reply to the points though actually because I think it is important...
(sorry if I don't make much sense I'm really tired).

Vashti - Aww yes Cool.
Like I said, I don't really know much about shemales. I think some of them probably enjoy their job/situation or money earned at least, but for others it must be horrible and yes perhaps some degree of crisis. I really don't know much about them! But hmmm I suppose it's ok to fantasise about them. Like I mentioned before fantasy is just that, fantasy. I think I know what you mean though. Hmm yeah I guess maybe it's a bit similar to the children thing if thinking of them as someone in distress (see reply to Raverboy below).
Oh yes of course I realise it's not a thread about transgendered people, it's just I saw the comment and thought it important to reply.

My main reply to the thread was the bit above the quote

Doesntmatter - If I understand you correctly you are referring to this "political correctness gone mad" thing.. where people are seemingly overly tolerant?

Wow what a horribly hurtful and closed minded, and particularly misinformed thing to say.

Transsexual people have existed since people knew they were people. There just wasn't the surgery and hormone options that are available today. There are documented cases stretching back all through history. Certainly not a result of "bullshit tolerance".
Actually an innate problem. TS people cannot HELP their feelings. As I understand it, it is extremely horrifically distressing to feel like one gender and yet possess the body of another. God no one would want to feel like that.
Lol if there was more tolerance and understanding in the world there would be less war and nastiness. It is not weak to tolerate, understand and be kind to others. It is a powerful, wonderful thing.

I wonder if you would be more tolerant of a person born intersexed? Hmm probably not actually.

If I have misunderstood your post and you actually meant something nice then I apologise for my long answer!

Raverboy - Of course child-porn is not ok!
That kind of goes without saying. I think that desire for children, should that fantasy lead on to something dangerous - it may not but incase it did - well that is the sort of thing which is very much not ok. Because obviously sexual acts with childen is very very wrong. Children are innocents and so that being the case it is unfair to fantasise about them (or particularly to do worse) should one find them attractive. Child porn isn't just fantasising about them either, it's forcing them to do horrible, damaging things.
So to answer your question more clearly:

so with that being said, people who are into child porn are fine as long as they don't touch the children?? how can that not offend you?? i dunno if you got children or not, but imagine someone staring at your kid and then going home and masturbating to them.

No it's not ok because that is a different kind of fantasy.. it is fantasising about what should be a non-sexual being, an innocent.
In answer to your rather horrible and inaccurate assumption... it offends me hugely. Yuck its wrong wrong wrong, unfair, disgusting and not ok. No I don't have children but I have nephews and brothers and sisters. If anyone went near them I'd f*ckin' throttle them.


Really sorry if this thread has been taken a bit off topic BarbaraJean!

Er so yeah *attempts to push it back on-topic*... how is it going now anyway, did you talk things through openly?

[DoesntMatter]

Doesntmatter - If I understand you correctly you are referring to this "political correctness gone mad" thing.. where people are seemingly overly tolerant?

Wow what a horribly hurtful and closed minded, and particularly misinformed thing to say.

Transsexual people have existed since people knew they were people. There just wasn't the surgery and hormone options that are available today. There are documented cases stretching back all through history. Certainly not a result of "bullshit tolerance".
Actually an innate problem. TS people cannot HELP their feelings. As I understand it, it is extremely horrifically distressing to feel like one gender and yet possess the body of another. God no one would want to feel like that.
Lol if there was more tolerance and understanding in the world there would be less war and nastiness. It is not weak to tolerate, understand and be kind to others. It is a powerful, wonderful thing.

I wonder if you would be more tolerant of a person born intersexed? Hmm probably not actually.

If I have misunderstood your post and you actually meant something nice then I apologise for my long answer!

No, it is bullshit tolerance because it should not be tolerated. This doesn't mean that it's fake. I know there are instances where it is a medical case, I remember reading about one such person in England I forgot how long ago who had a penis doctors described as being nearly indistinguishable from a clitoris. In such a case surgery to make this individual a female would be less dramatic than someone with a fully "developed" penis. Not really a big deal.

But for other people it is like a mental disorder. Sorry, but I don't believe in a 3rd gender. Humans are male or female. The "shemale" concept is a made-up "thing" from people trying way too hard to express their sexuality. It sounds like something Josef Mengele would have tried, or more like something out of Wolfenstein.

Understanding would *perhaps* lead to less war (expresses doubt). Understanding is needed on behalf of scientifically modified people as well, that their behavior is a far cry from normal.

[mr_fahrenheit]

No, it is bullshit tolerance because it should not be tolerated.

What do you mean though? What you mean that people shouldn't be allowed to be transsexual? The feelings or the actual altering through surgery/hormones? (I think you mean the actual altering).

But why would it be better to have loads of unhappy people that are so distressed with themselves and unhappy that it is hard to function in life? Surely that (the distress and unhappiness) is what shouldn't be tolerated?

This doesn't mean that it's fake. I know there are instances where it is a medical case, I remember reading about one such person in England I forgot how long ago who had a penis doctors described as being nearly indistinguishable from a clitoris.

Oh yes, you are thinking about intersexed people there. (as in what used to be called a hermaphrodite). Actually interestingly a clitoris IS basically a penis.. just much smaller. It's all made of the same material, its all homologous tissue. Haha don't freak out or anything, it's true!

Every single person used to be female until a certain stage in development in the womb and then the bits develp in certain ways.

In interesexed people (there are many kinds of those btw... transsexual people might even be one of them) sometimes things obviously get a bit physically confused.

In transsexual people (like what you call a "mental disorder") there is a distinct possibility that the mind developed one way and the body another... which is what lead to the feeling like one gender but being physically another. They have done autopsies on some TS people and it turns out that male to female ts women often have the same developed parts of their brain as a women born female and the same with female to male people.. they have male brains. I think that is quite telling. In which case the poor things should be given sympathy and understanding, not anger and intolerance!

So it's probably a biological problem anyway. But if it did happen to be a mental disorder than they still should be treated with kindness surely? It's not right to treat somone all poorly with depression, or bi polar badly for instance... so why would it be ok to treat someone with another kind of mental illness badly? I don't think it would really

Imagine how horrible it would feel if you felt like you do now, exactly as you do (you're male right?) so you feel like you... and yet you've had to grow up with a girl's body. Omg that would just be so confusing!

Sorry, but I don't believe in a 3rd gender. Humans are male or female.

Well actually nor do the majority of TS people as i understand it. They just feel like completely normal males or females, their body has just developed a bit wrong (as in the wrong gender) and causes them huge distress. (until they take hormones/have surgery to make their bodies the right shape to fit who they actually are inside sort of thing).
I do know that there are some people that believe in a 3rd gender though. Each to their own!

I do think that so much emphasis is put on gender, we really are just people. It's nothing to be scared of or whatever. There are far less differences between the sexes both mentally and physically than most people realise or talk about. It's all just about the way we are socialised and the slight differences in bodyshape/hormones. We are just all human!

The "shemale" concept is a made-up "thing" from people trying way too hard to express their sexuality.

Well maybe *shrugs* I really don't know much about them. I did see a bit of a TV programme on them once though and some did seem to be genuinely Transsexual people. I have to reiterate though that sexuality and gender, are 2 distinct, different things.

But maybe you meant like.. a new way for people to get their rocks off haha! I still personally say.. each to their own, whatever makes them feel comfortable and happy. (As long as it doesn't hurt or potentially hurt anybody).

Understanding would *perhaps* lead to less war (expresses doubt).

Yeah definitely!! Tolerance and understanding would be great.
Can you imagine how many less wars and hate killings there would be if people actually took the time to listen and understand and tolerate each other? That would be awesome!

Understanding is needed on behalf of scientifically modified people as well, that their behavior is a far cry from normal.

What like people that have surgery?
Well I know what you mean in the case of vanity surgery but I do think it's a bit different in the case of transsexual people.
I'm sure they wouldn't want surgery, they just do it because they are so unhappy with how they look and feel.
Like to fix a medical problem kind of thing.

I know it can be really really difficult for somebody who is not used to all this stuff to understand it (it used to stump me at 1st too), but I really don't think anger and disgust are the way to deal with things you don't really know much about. I think it's worth doing some research and really knowing what you're talking about before you say it's bad.

Thank you if you're trying to understand!

Like I said .. TS/TG people don't want to feel that way, they don't feel like it on purpose. They just feel like it.
I think it would be nice to show them kindness and understanding because they suffer a lot, what with body dysphoria and trying to fit in and trying to please other people etc etc, yes so kindness and understanding rather than like.. well meanness.

I met a lovely MTF lady and through her a lot of transgendered people both mtf and ftm, and most of them are absolutely lovely. They (the ts people I know) are peaceful, open minded, kind, wise, gentle, wouldn't hurt a fly. All that and they go through such difficulty. My best friend (well, one of them) is a mtf lady and she is so wonderful. I also know a very very cool ftm guy. He's awesome, he's just a completely normal dude, but he was assigned female at birth.. but had that corrected now. You'd never know he "(physically) used to be a girl".

Ts people are just completely normal people. You might well even know some and don't even know it!

Anyway you get my point hopefully, sorrry to waffle on, I'm tired and trying to make sense!!


Again reallly sorry about the off-threading from shemales to TS people! (At least we do mention shemales though!) It just it struck me as quite an important subject. If just one person understands a little more then it would be worth the waffling hehe.

[DoesntMatter]

Yeah, I don't know... My opinions change a lot.

But depression would more aptly be described as a mood disorder

I really don't feel terribly compelled to accept other people who wouldn't even accept me. Maybe this makes me an ass, I don't know. What I do know is that I didn't use to be an ass.

[Junket]

Humans are the only species that proclaim any one sexuality.

No other species I'm aware of is exclusively heterosexual or homosexual.

[Illusional]

i'm not here to argue either.. but i wanted to just point that out.

raverboy