Protestant Family and my search for truth.

[TheSphinx]

That says nothing about the quality of that data tho. I know of no data that hasn't been debunked (or at least labelled 'not proven') that says that the earth is a mere 10000 years old...

Indi, I will have to dig up some of my old research on young earth/old earth and post it. When I did it, both sides seemed to have credible data to support their theory. I'm not a scientist by any means, but perhaps you could detect some fallacies in the data.

It is my logic with probability. I don't think people realize how unlikely it is that god exists...

Nor the probability that life began from chance, was able to replicate, has survived, adapted and evolved to our current Earth.

I will admit, though.

I love to play against the odds.

~Sphinx

[IndiReloaded]

Indi, I will have to dig up some of my old research on young earth/old earth and post it. When I did it, both sides seemed to have credible data to support their theory. I'm not a scientist by any means, but perhaps you could detect some fallacies in the data.

It would take a long time to explain, tho & I don't have it. However, here's a link to a scientist who has already done it, and a good job too:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg"]YouTube - Ken Miller on Intelligent Design[/ame]

Nor the probability that life began from chance, was able to replicate, has survived, adapted and evolved to our current Earth.

I will admit, though.

I love to play against the odds.

There's a difference b/t the arguments for/against abiogenesis & evolution. You've got two seperate theories in there, not one. The evidence for evolution is pretty darn convincing.

[TheSphinx]

It would take a long time to explain, tho & I don't have it. However, here's a link to a scientist who has already done it, and a good job too:

Looks interesting, Indi. I'll have to get back to you once I've watched it.

~Sphinx

[IndiReloaded]

Looks interesting, Indi. I'll have to get back to you once I've watched it.

~Sphinx

Its an entire lecture, so you'll need about 1.5 hours. But equally as good as any M.Moore flick. Interesting from start to finish (I thought).

[Junket]

Its an entire lecture, so you'll need about 1.5 hours. But equally as good as any M.Moore flick. Interesting from start to finish (I thought).

It was awesome. and I only watched 52 minutes of it.

My brother would love it.

[TheSphinx]

But equally as good as any M.Moore flick.

I hope that wasn't meant as an enticement.

~Sphinx

[IndiReloaded]

I hope that wasn't meant as an enticement.

LOL, good point. Poor Ken Miller would be insulted; he's much funnier than MM. Anyway, Fras is right: I forgot the lecture part is only about an hour, the rest is a Q & A. Its been a while since I've seen it.

[anachronistic]

Milky milky milky milky milky!

*Begins to dance*

[Mish]

Nice hyperbole! Again. When has a group of athesists EVER threatened any religion?

Soviet Union

One example

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union[/url]

The Soviet Union was the first state to have as an ideological objective the elimination of religion. Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden and sometimes lead to imprisonment.
Eight metropolitans, twenty archbishops, and forty-seven bishops of the Orthodox Church died there, along with tens of thousands of the laity. Of these, 95,000 were put to death, executed by firing squad. It is estimated that 50,000 clergy were executed by the end of the Kruschev era.


I would say I'm a #2 on your scale. But I'm not Religious. I believe in God as an absolute good towards which one should move towards.

[Mish]

Oh, right. Next, you'll tell me Jesus was Jewish.

Don't be silly Giga. How could any Christian prosecute a jew if this was the case?

[IndiReloaded]

Milky milky milky milky milky!

*Begins to dance*

Lol, was that random, or am I just clueless?

I hope you're happy w/your 'search for truth' thread, btw.

[Junket]

Jesus was a Jew!

How could he have not been a Jew?

[Mish]

Fras I was joking (As accentuated by the smiley)

[IndiReloaded]

Soviet Union

One example

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union[/url]

The Soviet Union was the first state to have as an ideological objective the elimination of religion. Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden and sometimes lead to imprisonment.
Eight metropolitans, twenty archbishops, and forty-seven bishops of the Orthodox Church died there, along with tens of thousands of the laity. Of these, 95,000 were put to death, executed by firing squad. It is estimated that 50,000 clergy were executed by the end of the Kruschev era.


I would say I'm a #2 on your scale. But I'm not Religious. I believe in God as an absolute good towards which one should move towards.

Ah. THIS example. Right. Um, this wasn't done by a group of atheists, this was done under the guise of 'communism' & they attacked the church b/c of its 'unfair distribution of wealth'.

Its like saying that a tall person who commits murder does so in the name of 'tallness', lol.

As to your scale ranking, the author meant the very specific definition of a Personal God, not other concepts like God as the Universe & other similar ones that ppl like Einstein mentioned.

[IndiReloaded]

Jesus was a Jew!

How could he have not been a Jew?

Well, if we can ever get a valid sample, we could test this by doing a sequence analysis & look for markers that are common to those of Jewish descent.

(and yes Mish, I also saw the smiley on your other post, but there are those who would read your example & believe 'atheists' killed all those church officials)