Human Trash

[IndiReloaded]

But as I mentioned before, send your kid to crap, poor schools. Limit their options from the get go and make life harder for them. No skin off my back.

My kid? LOL, Laila, my children will never pay a dime for their education no matter what. You can't seem to work out my point. Shrug.

[IndiReloaded]

I'm still trying to figure out why you mentioned it in the first place.

Did anyone say they intended on enrolling their children in inadequate, underfunded schools?

She's stupid and missing the boat. This is what a typical liberal education gets us. Shrug.

[LailaK]

Because you asked so nicely here are your direct quotes that I was commenting on:

Newsflash: Colleges don't really give a crap the high school you went to. Its not one of their main deciding factors. Your grades, the courses you took and (in US) your SAT scores are what matters.

But yes, education quality tends to be better in better-funded schools but that's not the same thing.

I have no beef with you Indie other than your complete lack of reading comprehension. That's not my problem though and I don't care if you can't piece together someones point by reading their words. I gave plenty of reasons for why schools with funding are better than schools without funding: Reputation, College Prep Courses, Art Classes, Sports programs for scholorships, etc. For some reason you can't seem to read any of those reasons. Whatever. I didn't say colleges gave a crap about what high school you went to.

The comment about sending your kids to bad schools was for the genius who suggested that all a kid needs is motivation and a text book to succeed. Again. Send your kids to a crap school and put them in the situation where all they have is a text book and their own motivation to succeed. I'll be preparing my kids to have as many options as they can. How you can try and argue with that approach and then have the audacity to call me stupid is hilarious.

You people and your silly colleges.

Ya don't need college to be financially secure, live in a nice neighborhood, and be a lawful and productive citizen.

If my kid wants to go to college bad enough they'll pay for it themselves.

I'll say it again, don't send your kids to college. I don't care. That's one less kid that my kids have to compete with for space and scholarships so actually it works in my favor.

[Petit Papillon]

Oh well, I could study on Princeton or Yale for free(they would pay for me) but it's too far from home <-I just read that cool news hihi . People who's parents earn less than 14 000 PLN (don't know how much in dollars ) can study on those universities (and others too) for free,not only Americans but foreigners too. My family in Poland would never get to have 14000 PLN per month hahaha, that's some crazy money, normal person earns like 10% of it in Poland
But as I said, USA is far too far from here

[IndiReloaded]

I don't lack reading comprehension Laila. You just lack the ability to understand what is actually important. So, yes, that makes you stupid.

You are discussing college as if you actually understand how and why it works. You are a college consumer. Since you are not a professor, have not taught college and have never sat on an admissions committee you are speaking from a place of ignorance. The entire university-college system is in big trouble with its business model, you have no idea.

Sending your children to college for its own sake is stupid. All it will do is produce more ppl like you, in the service industry producing nothing of actual value to society. This is the reason why you need to work the ridiculous hours you do, competing in an oversubscribed industry against your peers who would outcompete you in a heartbeat simply b/c they work longer hours and happen to sell more financial products than you do, or some equivalent.

So, by all means, put your next generation of parasites into this useless rat-race and rely on the colleges to teach them what they need. They won't be competing with my productive children (who have the added advantage of a free college education no matter what). They won't be able to. Actual skilled people will be the ones in demand, not your sort.

[LailaK]

And so we get to the crux of the argument.

You and Frasbee have been spouting all of that BS about college for a very long time. I don't agree with you. That does not make me stupid. That does not mean that I am not understanding what you are saying. Its means (drumroll please...) that I don't agree with you. As simple as that.

I went to college for one reason only. So I could make more money and do more of the s*it that I want to do. And you know what? It worked for me! I now have a job that I love and I make a ton of money doing it. I would not have this job if I didn't get my god damned piece of paper. Does my degree make me smarter than others? No, I'm not saying that. Does my degree directly effect me making more money? Yes. If that's a problem with the system, whatever. I worked within the system and I got mine. I will enable my children to do the same. You know why? Because I'm not going to be taking care of any grown ass children when I'm old. They will be self sufficient and have all of the choices that I can provide while they are young.

BTW, neither one of my parents went to a 4-year college and my dad is the smartest man I have ever met. College does not = smarter. HOWEVER, he wishes that he would have gone to college, not so he could learn something new or some stupid skill but so that he could have gotten his piece of paper and earned more money. He always made it very clear to me that it's all a stupid game but if I want to do the things I dream about I better play to win.

My #1 priority for my kids will be setting them up to win.

[IndiReloaded]

And so we get to the crux of the argument.

You and Frasbee have been spouting all of that BS about college for a very long time. I don't agree with you.

Frasbee has his opinion about college for his reasons. Mine are that I come from a family of academics, many of whom have moved on from it for primarily the reasons I said. So, unlike you, I am actually speaking from a place of experience. You are not.

Ignore my comments at yours, and your children's peril. What worked for you won't work for your children. And I know its not really working for you. You have posted the insane hours you have to work, mine don't even come close and I guarantee I am pulling an order of magnitude more than you and working less hard for it. Its not b/c we are lucky and its not directly due to our college education.

That does not mean that I am not understanding what you are saying.

It does, b/c if you actually understood my point there is no way you would disagree with it.

I went to college for one reason only. So I could make more money and do more of the s*it that I want to do.

And this^ is the wrong reasons. Sorry.

I would not have this job if I didn't get my god damned piece of paper.

That's b/c you can't conceive of any other way of going about it. Its why you will hit that ceiling or kill yourself in hours trying.

Does my degree directly effect me making more money? Yes. If that's a problem with the system, whatever.

Fantastic, parasitic attitude. Try politics when you lose your job b/c you get outcompeted by an MBA who will do your job for less $$. They are coming, so you'd better invent that 26 hour workday.

BTW, neither one of my parents went to a 4-year college and my dad is the smartest man I have ever met. College does not = smarter.

This^ is about the only thing I think you understand about this subject.

My #1 priority for my kids will be setting them up to win.

If this is true, you'd better actually think harder about what I'm telling you. I'm offering this up for free, b/c you claim to be educated so I'm hoping you can actually calc this once you've had some time to digest. So far, I haven't seen a single post from you actually emphasizing what is important. Again: its not college. Good luck.

[LailaK]

Blah blah blapiddy blah blah blah. That's all I hear you saying.

Not everyone in the world is going to agree with you and you aren't as "wise" as you think. Get over it and give "advice" to someone who cares.

I could care less about what you deem important. Get over yourself.

[IndiReloaded]

Blah blah blapiddy blah blah blah. That's all I hear you saying.

Not everyone in the world is going to agree with you and you aren't as "wise" as you think. Get over it and give "advice" to someone who cares.

I could care less about what you deem important. Get over yourself.

If you say so. You clearly have much to show for your education. Thinking is painful for you, I know. Good luck with the guys who don't intuitively know that a condom is a good idea.

You aren't the only one who will read this. I'm not posting specifically for you.

[misombra]

haha. this thread is funny.

some people don't need degrees to have a good, fulfilling life. my mechanic has a great life with a beautiful family and a beautiful home and he doesn't have a degree and he isn't well traveled and he isn't an academic by any means. he's a retired fireman and he works on cars and has an incredible shop set up in his garage. he fixes peoples cars to supplement his retirement. his kids are happy and settled and his wife is totally in love with him and he helps people.

happiness is more important than academia, imo. if you try and push it on a child who is not interested they will grow up to resent it, guaranteed. what they do will never be enough for you and they will hate it.

i'm willing to bet if (when) frizzz has kids and they want to pursue a good education that he would build ten million houses to get them there. and if they wanted to be electricians for a living he would teach them how to do it.

[misombra]

also i went to a middle school that was well to do and all the other students' parents' owned larged gated communities and shit like that. omg i fuking HATED those kids and i hated that school. i swear when i look back i feel lucky cause if i would've known how to fire a gun i would've shot up that whole fuking school.

[IndiReloaded]

I disagree with the notion that it's not true

I missed this. Sorry Mish. Its not a notion tho. Give me an example of something you can only learn at university. Do recall that was your exact phrase. Any example you give, I can guarantee I'll be able to show you otherwise.

[Doc Durian]

Honestly though I don't get that whole thing some people say "18 and out"....I think that may have been true at a certain time in our history but anymore it is harder to get yourself established in the world....I believe it is the responsibility of the parents to help to the best of their ability to launch their children in the world.

And if the parents still think historically, what do you suggest? For them to be democratically usurped of their Republic values?

How can parents born of parents born of parents who've all risen on their own merits and with no societal help continue any further when the whole concept of self determination has become sociologically despised as well as political barracuda bait?

I believe that parents do as parents can do... and from there... may the best prevail.

Why quibble whether the age of adulthood is 17, 18, or some federally mandated mid twenty region according to back room budgetary forecasts? If there is a WW3, be without a doubt that 17 and 18 year olds resemble adequate adult aged recruits in that context. So why make the distinction between generational decades. It's self serving, but above that... it's false. It relies upon the unfounded belief that the youth of the Nation don't hold the values of their grandparents, close to heart.

I myself walked away from parental offers, and from a family that cared enough to make them... The thing was... it went completely against everything my family was about.

It was a mark of shame for me to accept, so the compulsion to do it on my own was even greater.

I relish those years... I learnt, I met, I formed who I am now... with my own two hands and sense of self.

I respect my parents for giving me that, for carrying on that now odd tradition... freedom...

Liberty...

My family, all of them... nuclear... extended... or even once in a Reunion Blue Moon all stick together and we work our problems out. We have no ultimatums... we have no bile... just this love of existence I can't describe.

But if I had to utter a few words to their credit, I'd deem it 1700's pioneering spirit and nothing less.

Funny thing is, none of us were present before the 1850's at best... we weren't part of that constitutional tree, but we were in a spirit which trascended any national, political, or religious boundary.

When somebody scoffs at parents who've said "18 and you're out", I feel sad.

It makes my experience of America seem like a relic...

...to have that happen in one's own lifetime versus a previous or future generation is disheartening to say the least.

It's a sense of loss which no government program/legislation/ban proposed or social initiative could ever recover.

Who we were... how we rose.... how happy we were despite win or loss...

...we controlled our own personal destinies.

I feel ashamed of the nation of my birth... not because of the propaganda fueled wars, the political wranglings, or the ever growing socialist mindset which demands to be heard over their threats of censorship and gerrymandering.

I'm ashamed because in the angst involved in removing perceived Neo-Cons, Republic (not to be confused with Republican) values have all but seemingly been lost.

Watching the two Parties vie for placement has become more about the touchdown dance than the undisputed meters of the game. It's become a star spangled banner version of the Punch and Judy Show.

Democrats used to be part of the American equalizing experience... Republicans didn't always sell short. They always opposed one another, except for the most basic of Americanisms.

Now they've made a pact before a devilish preacher.

...and we, as their children, aren't encouraged to go out and make our fortunes or failures of our own accords.

We're banned from it.

Could you imagine being "banned" like we are these days a mere 15 years ago?

Can you remember what you were doing 15 years ago and your mindset?

Was it anything like now?

What changed?

(Just the willingness of sceptics to say the unfathomable)


This war on terror is a war on liberty, nothing less.

I just find it ironic that both Republicans AND Democrats all fear liberty more than they rate terror.

Think about it....


dewilliams2: History is rendered by the victor and subsidized by their educational holdings. You can't honestly tell me that you've ever doubted an official rendition of history?

[Doc Durian]

You have posted the insane hours you have to work, mine don't even come close and I guarantee I am pulling an order of magnitude more than you and working less hard for it. Its not b/c we are lucky and its not directly due to our college education.

Are you really suggesting that 1,2, or 3 college degrees can't deliver the right direction to the wrong prospect well accustomed to fast food window life?

Should we blame the middlemen or the mindset? lol

[Junket]

And if the parents still think historically, what do you suggest? For them to be democratically usurped of their Republic values?

How can parents born of parents born of parents who've all risen on their own merits and with no societal help continue any further when the whole concept of self determination has become sociologically despised as well as political barracuda bait?

I believe that parents do as parents can do... and from there... may the best prevail.

Why quibble whether the age of adulthood is 17, 18, or some federally mandated mid twenty region according to back room budgetary forecasts? If there is a WW3, be without a doubt that 17 and 18 year olds resemble adequate adult aged recruits in that context. So why make the distinction between generational decades. It's self serving, but above that... it's false. It relies upon the unfounded belief that the youth of the Nation don't hold the values of their grandparents, close to heart.

I myself walked away from parental offers, and from a family that cared enough to make them... The thing was... it went completely against everything my family was about.

It was a mark of shame for me to accept, so the compulsion to do it on my own was even greater.

I relish those years... I learnt, I met, I formed who I am now... with my own two hands and sense of self.

I respect my parents for giving me that, for carrying on that now odd tradition... freedom...

Liberty...

My family, all of them... nuclear... extended... or even once in a Reunion Blue Moon all stick together and we work our problems out. We have no ultimatums... we have no bile... just this love of existence I can't describe.

But if I had to utter a few words to their credit, I'd deem it 1700's pioneering spirit and nothing less.

Funny thing is, none of us were present before the 1850's at best... we weren't part of that constitutional tree, but we were in a spirit which trascended any national, political, or religious boundary.

When somebody scoffs at parents who've said "18 and you're out", I feel sad.

It makes my experience of America seem like a relic...

...to have that happen in one's own lifetime versus a previous or future generation is disheartening to say the least.

It's a sense of loss which no government program/legislation/ban proposed or social initiative could ever recover.

Who we were... how we rose.... how happy we were despite win or loss...

...we controlled our own personal destinies.

I feel ashamed of the nation of my birth... not because of the propaganda fueled wars, the political wranglings, or the ever growing socialist mindset which demands to be heard over their threats of censorship and gerrymandering.

I'm ashamed because in the angst involved in removing perceived Neo-Cons, Republic (not to be confused with Republican) values have all but seemingly been lost.

Watching the two Parties vie for placement has become more about the touchdown dance than the undisputed meters of the game. It's become a star spangled banner version of the Punch and Judy Show.

Democrats used to be part of the American equalizing experience... Republicans didn't always sell short. They always opposed one another, except for the most basic of Americanisms.

Now they've made a pact before a devilish preacher.

...and we, as their children, aren't encouraged to go out and make our fortunes or failures of our own accords.

We're banned from it.

Could you imagine being "banned" like we are these days a mere 15 years ago?

Can you remember what you were doing 15 years ago and your mindset?

Was it anything like now?

What changed?

(Just the willingness of sceptics to say the unfathomable)


This war on terror is a war on liberty, nothing less.

I just find it ironic that both Republicans AND Democrats all fear liberty more than they rate terror.

Think about it....


dewilliams2: History is rendered by the victor and subsidized by their educational holdings. You can't honestly tell me that you've ever doubted an official rendition of history?

I feel like you can interject your tea party agenda in virtually any thread.