The 6th sense

[ashley89]

I think Smileyface is back in a male form

[ashley89]

I read the whole post and I'm actually laughing out loud

[ashley89]

When I confronted her about the stretched out vagina, she later went to the doctor and came back with the explanation that she had been constipated and that's what caused her to get stretched out.

does she poop out of her vag now?

[sweetkissesforu]

You are very insecure you have to learn to trust she is allowed to have a past

[SelflessnHumble]

Well, considering I've been as psychotic (and even more) than you appear to be I think I could definitely help you out....
First off: YOU are very controlling, possessive, insecure, untrustworthy, and very paranoid concerning your actions herein...

You claim you're horrible at reading people and social stuff, YET you *think* have this strange feeling that this girl has loved you more than any girl EVER will? (not true)
You were clearly obsessed and infatuated with her. Now, what defines as her acting attracted to your best friends? While you should be able to trust your best friends
(as well as your own girlfriend) PEOPLE make excuses when alcohol is introduced as some sort of behavioral mechanism in which the "truth' is often revealed...Alcohol does not MAKE people do anything. CHOICES do.

Plus, you didn't make the boundaries known: play time is over, and only YOU and your girl go back to your house while intoxicated...You goofed.
Next, you are a coward: because not only did you fail to communicate these insecurities and your jealous rage: you -B-lamed your girlfriend for them!!! (not your best friends) and not yourself!

Now, since you do NOT know your girlfriend all that well-you cannot KNOW everything she did, and you cannot be controlling enough to ASK what she has done: it's NONE of your business
because you seemed to drop her more times than a new cellphone for crying out loud! ALL for pussy-ass reasons, non of which were EVER proven to be true!!!

People lie, because they feel you will get mad if you knew the truth: which doesn't even matter since YOU dumped her all those times. (lying doesn't make it right, but you sound a very angry person)
Was she supposed to wait for you with her thumb up her ass until your wishy washy and paranoid/delusional self realized she wasn't lying?????????? Not how life works.
Did you ever date ANY girl while you were broken up with this girl? Ever? Not even once? Really? One last thing before I address the enumerated issues...IF she was developing an attraction to your BF...
WHAT did she do? What did he do? WHY didn't you confront them OR why didn't you be the better man, and pick her up and carry her in front of your best friend? Why sit there
like a baby booboo feeling butthurt with passive aggression??? Women hate this shit!

(1) Your opinion concerning Facebook being evil for relationships is: irrelevant. Your experiences (which are few) don't comprise everyone, do they? No. You weren't together: she can have whatever she wants as her picture: not your business...Heck, I don't cry, or get butthurt when my girl puts a different picture other than one of us together...it's HER life!!!!! Not mine.

(2) The ceiling fan incident: makes sense to me: because most of my girls were pretty thin: and would get cold easily...One of them opened ALL the windows, ran the air, the fans at full blast too...
-It turned out: I never had concrete proof a guy was there...but the smell of another man was/is unmistakably evident...However she didn't have a brother, and only lived with her mother...In her case
it could have been her brother...There are other ways to catch a cheater and a liar...This isn't conclusive.

(3) Understand ONE thing, k? An attractive women IS going to get hit on whenever they step foot in public view/reach dude. NO mistake about it.
-You don't seem confident enough to understand this and to SHOW she's your woman to them by giving her affection, start talking to her about something only you two can discuss OR
-you're unable to politely but assertively take control so that those dudes are stopped dead in their tracks. You need to make it clear if you feel your time together shouldn't be spent with everyone who talks to her.

(4) This isn't the 6th sense, dude...There is no reason for her to get some other dudes digits!!! Didn't it occur to you these dudes figured ONE could keep you busy while the other
could get into your GF's head? -It worked, plus you're passive aggressive: you don't take action, and your GF doesn't mind the attention: lose lose situation. Since you are impotent when it comes
to taking action: like a coward you take it out on HER for YOUR failures. -not cool.

(5) It makes sense she was given a GIFT from someone else: she can't receive gifts now without you getting jealous or butthurt? Geez, man, really?
-Whether she lied to you or not: it doesn't matter...This girl is attractive, she meets many people, mostly men from your accounts...You can't seem to handle this attention she receives
due to your own insecurities...You two should not be together period.

(6) The CODE, dude....Your best friend: ISN'T your best friend, he's just ****ing there and when the situation presents itself: he will take.
-When I was this shallow and self absorbed...I burned many bridges...All of my guy friend's girlfriends liked me and wanted me. I was blamed for their girls' promiscuity!
-When I was this shallow I banged my supposed friend's girls...I wasn't a true friend to them: and they picked attention seeking whores as girls. lose lose situation.
-I never had to ask: I just proclaimed, "I'm going to tap your girl's ass." I never asked in front of friends and IF the dude was truly your friend he wouldn't want your left overs...

The last few things: just confirms your paranoia.
A woman's vagina can stretch based on more factors than just having another peen inside of it.
Nevertheless, you two were OVER, broken up -by your own choice...I'm not sure where you are from but on Planet Earth: When YOU dump someone...
You don't get to strong arm them into feeling they can't see anyone else due to your misplaced anger and contempt, and use it against them.

It's possible your friend did you wrong.
But look at the facts: you have demonstrated (time and time again) you are passive aggressive, never take action and instead emotionally get out of control...
Since your best friend AND even your girl knows this: they can pull shit on you night and day: and then use your "paranoia" as some alternative to the possible truth.


The Conclusion:
You don't love her. Sure, you miss her. But you don't love the (bad) feelings you get when you are with her.
If you can't trust someone: you can't be with someone...What's worse is that you two were NEVER together when her alleges transgressions took place.
If you have to say, I love everything about her EXCEPT for_______ then it is CLEAR you don't truly love her. Love doesn't have exceptions. It's about respect, trust, open communication and compassion:
All of which you come up on empty.

You cannot make an informed observation/decision based on: ignorance, nor ASS-U-MI ng

[ammi00]

Sometimes, some posts go beyond the limits of normal, so I can't stop suspecting it's a troll job - but if the OP is serious, he should see a specialist. I'm sure (s)he will notice something's wrong. A normal person wouldn't make such connexions that have no sense.

[SelflessnHumble]

does she poop out of her vag now?

And he believed this?????? Holy poop!

[I'mGoingCrazy]

Appreciate the response. Reading this thread is making it pretty clear that I'm not ready for a long term relationship yet. I think that's what I want...a long term relationship...ultimately. I think I now realize that I NEED a good woman in my bed at night. Now that I've had a taste of what was a pretty awesome relationship, apart from all the break-ups due to my own insecurities, I think it's what I want for myself.

To this point in my single life, 99% of my improvement has been the study of seduction materials, to get women to give me a chance in the first place. I guess everyone has to start somewhere. So now, I need to overcome my trust issues with women. It's gonna be an uphill battle, if not impossible, for me to really ever trust again. Things that I never saw before my divorce are now in view and cheating around behind your lovers back is everywhere. I never saw this reality before the divorce.

++++IF she was developing an attraction to your BF...WHAT did she do? What did he do? WHY didn't you confront them OR why didn't you be the better man, and pick her up and carry her in front of your best friend?++++

When I first recognized this, and felt like a third wheel in my own home, and realized what I had seen after the fact, I KICKED myself for not calling them both out on it at the time. If had I identified the poor behavior at the time that it was going on, I could have handled it well. Problem is, I didn't. I screwed up. To try and bring it up a few days later, or a few weeks later, in my opinion, would be far worse than saying nothing at all.

I did consider bringing up my insecurities and talking to her about my best friend. But I immediately ruled it out because, from what I've learned about women, that would be the worst move, or at least that's what I was thinking. In fact, I never once accused her of being attracted to my best friend. I don't think it was because I was a coward, but because it wasn't a smart move. The insecure boyfriend accusing the girlfriend of being attracted to a PARTICULAR person is probably more likely to cause her to see something attractive within that particular person than not. Let's say she was, in fact, unattracted to my best friend, I think the thought planted by my accusation would only cause her to be MORE attracted to him. Would she not start thinking that maybe there was something there within that individual that now seems attractive because my boyfriend views him as a threat?

++++The last few things: just confirms your paranoia.
A woman's vagina can stretch based on more factors than just having another peen inside of it.
Nevertheless, you two were OVER, broken up -by your own choice...I'm not sure where you are from but on Planet Earth: When YOU dump someone...
You don't get to strong arm them into feeling they can't see anyone else due to your misplaced anger and contempt, and use it against them.++++

We were together when this happened. We were not broken up at this time. The stretched vag...I haven't heard a logical explanation for it yet. The women in this thread are quick to label me and call me psycho-babble names, but none have conjured up a logical excuse that makes sense as to why the vag would suddenly be that stretched out.

++++start talking to her about something only you two can discuss++++

That's excellent advice. I like that suggestion. I will keep that in mind for future reference.

++++The CODE, dude....Your best friend: ISN'T your best friend++++

You are right. My best friend is addicted to just about everything under the sun...gambling, drugs, tobacco, alcohol. They say drugs will make a person stab their friends and family in the back. He admitted to gaming my girlfriend when I confronted him about this...before the stretched vag...after the kitchen incident...and promised to stop pursuing her. I trusted that THE CODE would work out here after he promised to stop.

I haven't stopped being friends with him, but I am way more guarded about bringing women in his presence. If I were strong enough, I'd end our friendship. But then again, I'm not 100% sure, either. We have tons of common friends. It would be weird to say the least, especially since we have been so tight to this point. We've known each other for 20 years. He is denying any wrong doing.

But it's almost like, on a subconscious level, he keeps saying "I didn't F** your girlfriend." He has brought that up and said that exact phrase at least a half dozen times over the last few months. My suspicion is that he had a three-way with her friend and my girlfriend and he penetrated my girlfriend with his fingers, and that's how she got so stretched out. I have dreamed this up in my head, and it's the theory I believe the most. When I confronted him after golf that day, after she turned up with the stretched vag, and after he made the speech about "Doing things I know I shouldn't do", anyway, during that confrontation, it got pretty heated, emotions were running high on both sides. Adrenaline. Red faces. The whole 9 yards. I wish I would have recorded this on my iPhone, but I swear, at some point during that conversation, I heard him say "I put my fingers inside her." Or it is my mind playing tricks on me? I think on a subconsious level, if he did in fact say that, I must have showed facially how bothered I was by the admission. Then he reversed course immediately and insisted that nothing happened. I think he said that, but, my subconscious mind, in some form of protection mode, caused me to not hear it. Anyway, the reason I suspect the three-way is because my girlfriend had been at her friend's apartment until pretty late in the evening, then she showed up at my house with a stretched vag. Soon after this happened, she stopped talking to this female friend.

Another tid-bit of information on this: prior to the stretched vag, I invited my best friend and another guy over to my house to watch Lost on DVD. My girlfriend called and invited her and her friend (the one I think was in on the three-way) to my house to watch Lost with us. My bestfriend was doing well with this female friend, she was definitely attracted to him. It was obvious to everyone in the room. The reason I bring this up is, if one woman is attracted to a man, it makes the man more attractive to other women who see it. It's just the way women are. So anyway, when my friend was bragging at the restaurant about all the recent success he was having with women, this female friend of my girlfriend was one of the triumphs of the week.

My best friend has been single his whole life, and doesn't trust women at all. And we've had many, many conversation in the past, where he explains that if a woman confronts him about an infidelity, he will lie and deny 100%, because, he says, that's what they do. He says to never admit to anything. If he holds that view about women, I think he would stick to that view with all of his relationships. He also likes to say "In relationships, he who cares less, wins". If I've heard him say it once, I've heard him say it a thousand times.

I am gonna make an appointment with a therapist and see if I can figure anything out. This thread has helped me see things a little more clearly. But talking to someone face to face about all this is probably what I need at this point.

Thanks to everyone for taking the time, even if all you did was call me names. Appreciate all the feedback, especially the sincere, helpful feedback.

[qwertz]

Too many long posts in this thread, and im still not past her pssing in your closet!

[SelflessnHumble]

Appreciate the response. Reading this thread is making it pretty clear that I'm not ready for a long term relationship yet.

Good of you to realize. Now you should start applying the knowledge learned from all of these experiences: this is the true path to enlightenment...

To this point in my single life, 99% of my improvement has been the study of seduction materials, to get women to give me a chance in the first place. I guess everyone has to start somewhere. So now, I need to overcome my trust issues with women. It's gonna be an uphill battle, if not impossible, for me to really ever trust again. Things that I never saw before my divorce are now in view and cheating around behind your lovers back is everywhere. I never saw this reality before the divorce.

Trusting people is easy, let me rephrase: Trusting GOOD people is easy.
Your girlfriend, your friends all sound like superficial people looking out for #1, not you.

When I first recognized this, and felt like a third wheel in my own home, and realized what I had seen after the fact, I KICKED myself for not calling them both out on it at the time. If had I identified the poor behavior at the time that it was going on, I could have handled it well. Problem is, I didn't. I screwed up. To try and bring it up a few days later, or a few weeks later, in my opinion, would be far worse than saying nothing at all.

You never addressed what she actually did, nor what your friend did...Even worse: procrastinating the inevitable confrontation is usually a sign of: "well, I don't want to loser her or my best friend, so I will put up with this shit."

I did consider bringing up my insecurities and talking to her about my best friend. But I immediately ruled it out because, from what I've learned about women, that would be the worst move, or at least that's what I was thinking. In fact, I never once accused her of being attracted to my best friend. I don't think it was because I was a coward, but because it wasn't a smart move. The insecure boyfriend accusing the girlfriend of being attracted to a PARTICULAR person is probably more likely to cause her to see something attractive within that particular person than not. Let's say she was, in fact, unattracted to my best friend, I think the thought planted by my accusation would only cause her to be MORE attracted to him. Would she not start thinking that maybe there was something there within that individual that now seems attractive because my boyfriend views him as a threat?

Well, you don't say, "I'm insecure about you being around my best friend." This instinctively tells a woman
that you are a pussy. You need to tell her how what she did makes you feel: what a man does. Example:

"When (best friend's name) came over, and you were grabbing his crotch, I didn't appreciate you doing that.
Not only did I find it disrespectful, but you made a mockery out of our relationship and you did it without any regard for my presence." -Then you listen to her explain away her (BS) excuse. The fact is there is no excuse for this kind of behavior in my universe, but what I don't do is "dump her ass" and make her feel immensely guilty for it. Instead, I assertively but
politely tell her, "When you grabbed my best friend's crotch, it really told me about your character, ethics and morals..."
Then I'd say, "I don't think I want a girlfriend like you who does this kind of thing, asks random strangers for their phone numbers right in front of me." Then I'd say, "You're a sweet girl and you'll make someone very happy, just not me."

We were together when this happened. We were not broken up at this time. The stretched vag...I haven't heard a logical explanation for it yet. The women in this thread are quick to label me and call me psycho-babble names, but none have conjured up a logical excuse that makes sense as to why the vag would suddenly be that stretched out.

Women are horny, in general...Women have dildos, vibrators and a slew of sex toys you may not be aware of.
Of course the vagina stretches to accommodate bigger nouns to be inserted...I think you should learn how to use
your intuition but this is solely dependent on your experience, not by reading or hearing stories...Research can be a great tool.

Had it ever occurred to you that her experience may have been just with the one girl, and NOT your BF?

Secret of one of my exes: She was the type of liar that wouldn't just deny shit, she would put it back on me...
Then unless I used the exact accusatory method of what she did: she could deny it, something like:
"You never asked me if I ****ed him, only if I was intimate with him" (pretty revealing ey?)
So since it was just sex it wasn't considered intimate, but she did F this guy...cool.
Kissing: intimate, touching: intimate: check, hickies? Intimate...Penis insertion: casual, makes perfect sense!!!!

That's excellent advice. I like that suggestion.

You need to learn to speak without words: but with actions.
If some dude approaches you and your girl, you grab her and then turn her towards you and say,
"So, I heard that the Kama Sutra has this new position I've been wanting to try with you...
I think I can make you bark like a dog." Then grab her, be spontaneous. However if she pushes you away
to talk to this dude: SHE does not like you dude. Move on: she loves the admiration and attention she yields and
sees it as more important than YOUR attention.

You are right. My best friend is addicted to just about everything under the sun...gambling, drugs, tobacco, alcohol. They say drugs will make a person stab their friends and family in the back. He admitted to gaming my girlfriend when I confronted him about this...before the stretched vag...after the kitchen incident...and promised to stop pursuing her. I trusted that THE CODE would work

You can tell a drugee all you want...they will do it regardless...They just don't care.
Having a drug addict as a friend is a bad decision.

We've known each other for 20 years. He is denying any wrong doing.

I don't believe him. People will lie even after you produce video graphic evidence of it!

But it's almost like, on a subconscious level, he keeps saying "I didn't F** your girlfriend." He has brought that up and said that exact phrase at least a half dozen times over the last few months. My suspicion is that he had a three-way with her friend and my girlfriend and he penetrated my girlfriend with his fingers, and that's how she got so stretched out.

We can split hairs until Jesus comes back dude...The point is:
you cannot trust your friend since he already went too far enough for you to feel his actions towards your girl
(at the time) went too far, yet he still pursued her afterward...HE knew better, just didn't give a shit.

I heard him say "I put my fingers inside her." Or it is my mind playing tricks on me? I think on a subconsious level, if he did in fact say that, I must have showed facially how bothered I was by the admission. Then he reversed course immediately and insisted that nothing happened. I think he said that, but, my subconscious mind, in some form of protection mode, caused me to not hear it. Anyway, the reason I suspect the three-way is because my girlfriend had been at her friend's apartment until pretty late in the evening, then she showed up at my house with a stretched vag. Soon after this happened, she stopped talking to this female friend.

If you have mental issues: then you're entire point of view can be skewed...Watch Black Swan (it's pretty good)
Look, the only way to know for certain: is to first remember how tight she was BEFORE that night, and then how long
after she was tight did her vag feel stretched out? This will give a clear indication. You may never get the truth...
Because some people feel that the truth would destroy their own psyche, hence the need to lie about it.

It sounds plausible...When I used this one girl, she lied to her man (she was moaning my name as he did her)
and told him it was nothing...He had no proof, except that she didn't get wet with him (as she done with me hours earlier)
and only his gut feeling to go on...was be paranoid too? I think you are both paranoid and legitimately concerned about this...

prior to the stretched vag, I invited my best friend and another guy over to my house.
My girlfriend called and invited her and her friend (the one I think was in on the three-way) to my house.
My bestfriend was doing well with this female friend, she was definitely attracted to him. It was obvious to everyone in the room. The reason I bring this up is, if one woman is attracted to a man, it makes the man more attractive to other women who see it. It's just the way women are. So anyway, when my friend was bragging at the restaurant about all the recent success he was having with women, this female friend of my girlfriend was one of the triumphs of the week.

While this can be true it isn't the norm...Especially with mature, and women who have a high sense of self worth.

My best friend has been single his whole life, and doesn't trust women at all. And we've had many, many conversation in the past, where he explains that if a woman confronts him about an infidelity, he will lie and deny 100%, because, he says, that's what they do. He says to never admit to anything. If he holds that view about women, I think he would stick to that view with all of his relationships. He also likes to say "In relationships, he who cares less, wins". If I've heard him say it once, I've heard him say it a thousand times.

READ this above post until it smacks you in the face:
IF he is able to lie 100% about cheating...(*because it's what men do*) Then HOW in the ****
can you not see he would also LIE TO YOU????

I am gonna make an appointment with a therapist and see if I can figure anything out. This thread has helped me see things a little more clearly. But talking to someone face to face about all this is probably what I need at this point.

You do need help for sure.
However it was obvious to me that she was capable of playing around with your feelings, then she would
most definitely be capable of cheating on you and hiding it from you as well.

Best to get closure and move on.

[Mongoose]

Poor qwertz, I think she'll collapse when she sees that beast ^

[doppelgaenger]

I won't read all that unless I'm paid!

Anyway, I concur with the posters. You're paranoid and insecure, and thus unable of having a lasting relationship. You need to read a couple of self-help books, visit the shrink, and who knows what else will help you, other than avoiding girls of questionable history whom you could never trust to begin with!!

[smackie9]

OK you know if things feel uncomfortable to you, then end it, and stop being a ninny thinking things will change. You obviously are chosing the incorrect type of personality. You don't like a cold stand offish person or a flirty person, so find someone that you are very confident to be with and stop blaming them for your discomfort. It is you that has the problem. You cannot change the way they are but you sure as hell change the way YOU are. Your wife was a bitch and this GF is a drunkin loser....I think you look at things with rosey cloured glasses because you are so desparte to be in a relationship. When you push for things, it gets all f ucked up. lesson learned......choose carefuly who you go out with and know when to say no.

[I'mGoingCrazy]

++++Women are horny, in general...Women have dildos, vibrators and a slew of sex toys you may not be aware of.
Of course the vagina stretches to accommodate bigger nouns to be inserted...I think you should learn how to use
your intuition but this is solely dependent on your experience, not by reading or hearing stories...Research can be a great tool.++++

She has a toy but if that were the cause of this, she would have thrown that out there as a reason.

That all women now days have toys...this is one of the Disney Fantasy Land issues that I was talking about. Until I got divorced, I had NO CLUE that every woman in the US over the age of 20 has at least one dildo. I never saw one with my ex-wofe, but then again, we never even talked. It was a miserable marriage.

This is the sort of thing I've learned since the divorce. Honestly, growing up in the 70's as a kid, I'm certain few women had dildos. And for sure, back in the 50's, less than one generation ago, I guarantee next to ZERO women had dildos. This is an example of the eye-opening Disney Fantasy stuff I was talking about. Things I've learned about women in the last four years, that, in general, make me less trusting of all women.

[SelflessnHumble]

She has a toy but if that were the cause of this, she would have thrown that out there as a reason.

That all women now days have toys...this is one of the Disney Fantasy Land issues that I was talking about. Until I got divorced, I had NO CLUE that every woman in the US over the age of 20 has at least one dildo. I never saw one with my ex-wofe, but then again, we never even talked. It was a miserable marriage.

This isn't the 70's! You cannot superimpose an (uninformed opinion) and a broad sweeping generalization concerning
women in one generation to the next! It does not work that way. Of course you feel she should have told you but
considering how you are with women and how you view them: what women in their right mind would confide in you and tell you??? Why, so you can "dump their ass" yet again? This girl has an issue trusting you with intimacy...Your wishy washy dumping one minute, taking her back the next leaves people confused. You didn't handle yourself appropriately: this is the result.

This is the sort of thing I've learned since the divorce. Honestly, growing up in the 70's as a kid, I'm certain few women had dildos. And for sure, back in the 50's, less than one generation ago, I guarantee next to ZERO women had dildos. This is an example of the eye-opening Disney Fantasy stuff I was talking about. Things I've learned about women in the last four years, that, in general, make me less trusting of all women.

If you have a problem with a woman's sexuality: be prepared to be single the rest of your life!
They all get horny, times have changed. If you cannot trust women (due to your own insecurities) then it's clear
you cannot make the proper distinctions between how people feel, versus how you are unable to cope with them
because to you it means women are all whores.

Your last girlfriend sounded like a text book attention whore and you allowed this sort of behavior to go on unchecked
and unchallenged: this is what happens without communication. You cannot make someone be who they aren't.

It's her choice (and even her right) to be a flirt, meeting strange men for hook-ups...
It's not your choice to tolerate it. But dude, MOVE ON from this. She was poison for you.