What is the point of monogamy?

[vertical_sky]

I find it interesting that the men around here, even if they disagree, are at least posting good counters, whereas the women (some of them anyway, like SelflessnHumble) are getting all wound up about it.

This sexist attitude is sort of delicious, since Selfless is male...

And I didn't say evolution was stupid. I said evolutionary psychology is stupid. That humans descended from a similar ancestor as gorillas, apes, chimpanzees, etc. is at this point evolutionary factor. What is fascinating about this is that nearly every "monkey" species closely related to humans have different social arrangements. Gorillas are male-centric polygamists. Owl monkeys are lifetime monogamists and the males are actually the ones that carry and care for the offspring. Chimpanzees are serial monogamists... They mate off for a season, and then next mating seasons might find someone new. Other species are outwardly monogamous by then "sneak around."

So even within our closest relatives, we see lots of variation on mating selection and organization. Evolutionary psychology IGNORES cultural and biological variety. Moreover, we have barely any evidence of ancient societies before the creation of writing, let alone indications of how they mated... How in the world can we claim the "evolution" of behavior when we don't even know how prehistoric humans behaved?

[Lothario]

I predict you will be banned pretty soon, so keep it up.

If that happens I would be surprised, after all I am simply trying to have an objective discussion -- you're the one who's getting all bent out of shape about it. Sure I'm making some bold statements, but I'm doing so in the hopes of getting some good, solid, objective rebuttles. But I guess you wouldn't understand that.

And if I do get banned that's ok, I wouldn't want to participate in some "Love is Good" cult forum if I weren't allowed to post my point of view for discussion anyway

[SelflessnHumble]

Another solid point. So you agree that if a man has the power/fame/fortune to philander, then it doesn't make sense to commit? Because if so then that is exactly what I am saying. I think most guys just give up because it's tough to be successful -- making a couple hundred grand/year isn't that hard, but being really successful -- wealthy, powerful, influential, and retaining a good physique and good looks into one's 30's, 40's, 50's and beyond, that is very, very tough, and not for the faint at heart. But those guys deserve their success -- and lots of women are a part of that.

You still don't get it...
Since I know 1st hand what it takes (and I didn't need a million dollars to do it) I once proudly used women, and used their physiology against themselves.
When you can identify a group of people's needs (and fill them) superficially: you can have anyone who subscribes to worldly satisfaction(s) eating out the palm of your hand.

Since there are self respecting women out there: this doesn't work on them.
On low self worth (who are usually incredibly beautiful) women: this works, you can use them strictly for sex and they won't mind because of all the value they put in to you.

This doesn't fly: The fact is: Good, intelligent and original thought provoking women aren't easy. If anyone is a challenge? It is them! Not
shallow, damaged women who look only good from the outside, while they look like a desolate waste land from the inside.

So if our goal is to F uck all hot women: congrats if you like this way of life! I got tired of boring women who were just good/built for one thing: to F uck.
Exceptional women (and they do exist) have much more to offer than just spontaneous sex in random public places and not the kitchen dwelling/sperm repositories you think they are.

[SelflessnHumble]

If that happens I would be surprised, after all I am simply trying to have an objective discussion -- you're the one who's getting all bent out of shape about it. Sure I'm making some bold statements, but I'm doing so in the hopes of getting some good, solid, objective rebuttles. But I guess you wouldn't understand that.

And if I do get banned that's ok, I wouldn't want to participate in some "Love is Good" cult forum if I weren't allowed to post my point of view for discussion anyway

Hi there. I'm Earth...have we met?
You are entitled to your opinion...how you feel I am getting bent out of shape is your red herring
that you cannot intellectually have a conversation with me because I blasted your Original Post with my reply to yours!

Since you cannot refute what I said (because what you claim to be fact is merely opinion) you know you cannot beat my logic contained herein...
So this is why you have no choice but to label me a girl, or that I am somehow bent out of shape!

Here: I'm in the greatest mood ever. I am happy and I respectfully disagree with your opinion.

Without resorting to such passive aggressive replies that you had previously made: please kindly refute my claims...

[xxazurexx]

Ok. If you simply point fingers and say THAT IS YOUR OPINION!, well that's fine, but it clearly demonstrates that you have no cogent, logical counterargument. If you do I'd like to hear it. If not than you are free to stay out of the discussion.

I find it interesting that the men around here, even if they disagree, are at least posting good counters, whereas the women (some of them anyway, like SelflessnHumble) are getting all wound up about it.

Selfless is a guy....

All I see you have done in this thread, is to put women down...

I bet you are a single man really, an old, lonely virgin....so repulsive that no woman would ever touch you with a bargepole, all your mates bedded the hottest chicks and you are very bitter about it, lol

Please, I just do not believe that after 3 or 4 or 10 years of having sex with the same woman, the man is still aroused by her. It is simply not possible. You think after being in a 10 year marriage or whatever Joe Blow husband sits at work and fantasizes what he's gonna do to his soccer mom wife when he gets home??? haha, that is laughable and you know it, he's thinking about the new 22yo intern at the office -- you know it and I know it. Sorry if that hurts women, but it is true. Don't take it personally.

Who says we don't get bored with your flabby guts and shrivelled dicks and are dreaming of the young hot stud who works in the store over the road.

LOL.....looks don't last forever and not all men have money so that they can forever get and bed the hottest chicks.

When you are old, fat, bald and wrinkled and need viagra to get a hard on....fantasiizing is what 95% most of you will only ever do....awww boo hoo for you.

I feel kinda sorry for you....

While most men in their old age will be cuddled up to a wife they love....you will be laid in your bed tossing off to some porno pic and wishing you were 40 years younger.

[girl68]

First good point you made all day -- you are right I am a pawn, for now, that is why I am questioning the status quo, not accepting my fate like you...

As if I'm signing my death certificate when I marry my man. Wait, well of course you think that marriage = death to you. Not me sir, not me.

[girl68]

The first step in an argument is establishing definitions. The reason this isn't flying is becasue barely anyone he agrees with your definition of success. For some it is happy, healthy babies, for som it is a baller husband not matter how ugly he is, for some it is a beautiful plastic gold-digging wife. Not everyone agrees that success is what you're saying. Good on you if that's your idea but for others that's a lonely life and we wish not for. So what the hell is up with you attempting to convince everyone our "success" is crap?

Side note: I agree, you'll be 'dead' soon...

[Junket]

Without resorting to such passive aggressive replies that you had previously made: please kindly refute my claims...

(She was being passive aggressive here!)

[vashti]

there is no "best one" -- the best one is the new one, and there's always going to be a new one.

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If this is true, then tell me why men are less likely to file for divorce.

[SelflessnHumble]

(She was being passive aggressive here!)

Is someone butthurt because their pointless and useless thread got ZERO views and ZERO replies???? lol! Poor booboo bear.

[Junket]

Is someone butthurt because their pointless and useless thread got ZERO views and ZERO replies???? lol! Poor booboo bear.

What are you talking about?

I want to see facts.

[Regnent]

Depends on the species. Even biologically there are other monogamous species.

Some the male impregnates everything that can't kill it, others settle down for life.

The biological argument is somewhat flawed because we don't really -know- which one our biological instincts prefers as a whole.

Granted, we still want screw. I'll give that to biological instincts. Beyond that, I think some people like to use the far and wide reasoning as an excuse.

The real problem isn't trying to figure out which we are, like it even really matters, it's that we also have wants. We have choices, and we can weigh them, or take flying leaps. Ultimately, that alone really mess's with any serious 'programming' we might have because unlike many animals, we can choose to do what we don't -need- to.

We're probably more driven by wants than needs.

[SelflessnHumble]

What are you talking about?

I want to see facts.

You don't need to see facts since you were the original poster of that thread, k? Bumble bee!

[tacticalcraptic]

Being "Successful" is relative. Some people don't care about money or sex so much. It is there way of questioning "The Status quo" or to avoid being a "pawn" (just as your way of rejecting the norm is rejection of monogamy) For example, a true artist is interested in creating meaningful expressive art, regardless of it's monetary value.
Not all women see much value in this. But some do. That is why, to someone like the artist, a single average looking woman who values his art, understands and sympathizes with his way of thinking and is willing to maybe endure some level poverty to carve their living out of his passion together is worth more than 10,000 woman who are interested in for his money.
So he will take the support over the variety, I see a point to monogamy there because it's where I am. I have plenty of attractive girls who are interested in me for how I look but when it comes to being excepted by them for my interests and obscure objectives in life, it's a different story and I am sure I am not the only man in history faced with this.

[sweetkissesforu]

Okay, if you're George Clooney, then monogamy doesn't make much sense.

If you're in the lower 99% of the male population, then maybe monogamy is a reasonable idea.

The adverage male accordi ng to Mr Afflent sorry Vincenzo omg i as a woman am happy at that i want the adverage male
P.s sounds like a weirdo i would run from really a freak obsessed with his own self interests and i maybe stepping the line in saying most woman would run from a oppinated freak like MR Affluent