6 women, 6 weeks

[MynameisJesus]

This sounds like the ramblings of an insecure pussy who isn't confident, nor assertive.
If you have to spell it out to a girl: that you won't let women take advantage of you anymore: this says you are weak
and you've just given up your power...

Is this what David taught you as well?

BTW: where is the source that says THESE *FACTS* (you purport to be facts) can be cited as a legitimate source(s) and authoritative credentials?

Using the word pussy, and then claiming that I use teachings as if I have no own opinion, tells me you are offended.

What facts were you referring to by the way. I have written so much here that I need you to be more specific

[xxazurexx]

Actually I think most of the time when women make excuses it's becasue they don't like YOU. "I only date white guys" (she was dating a another asian dude 1 week later) "I'm not ready for a relationship" (I don't want a relationship with you) "I don't have time for a bf" (I don't want to waste my time on you) "I want a _____ guy" (you're not it, go away).

PRAISE THE LORD!!!!!!...SPOT ON!!

lol

[SelflessnHumble]

Just in case you are assuming I try to copy his "teachings" and apply them to a professional environment. You are wrong with this assumption.
This was my own idea. He barely talks about approaching groups of women either. You have created an image of being a stereotype group seducer / pick up artist which is not what he is.

(1) No problem, I apologize for assuming that you were trying to copy his teachings then apply them...but really man....really.
You are just switching words around as if the only way David could ever give you advice is only applied in ONE environment...

(2) The fact is: the adherence to an applied teaching (his own experience) is to: exactly....learn, apply
and integrate them into your own life so you can stop being a doormat nice guy...and become what women want.

(3) You can call what he does great advice: cool.
I see him as a person wanting you to become who he is: to get women.
If this isn't true: please in your own words tell us who he is: and what his mission statement is...

(4) However this brings us to the next step of this whole process: Being assertive, confident...
If this was your own idea: you have just obliterated the initiative: being assertive and confident.

See, if you were these two traits personified: you wouldn't need to post them here on a public forum (as you did)
because despite your motive for doing so? The answer speaks to the readers and members here: and it reads;
"I am a 25 yr old inexperienced virgin and I have an idea (that I only thought about in theory) that I am much too afraid of trying in real life because I am still the complete polar opposite of a confident and assertive MAN."

A confident and assertive man doesn't ask for permission: he just does it and asks for forgiveness. (Figuratively speaking)

That's not what I was doing. My true motivation for it is written on page 7
Not the rejection itself, but being rejected is a step for me to get used to it and become indifferent. Dealing with failure leads to succes later on

(1) If you are saving yourself for a woman who doesn't exist: what are your thoughts about your virginity now?
(2) Being rejected is a great thing....so again...WHY aren't you just going for it? You are instead arguing and labeling people (incorrectly I might add) and you do so: without ANY experience(s) to back up your claims....


This wasn't answered....I will post it again:

I know he's covered a variety of topics...so the question is: WHY are you here asking for advice
Mr man has already covered? And 2nd, why are you arguing over what everyone else has said (most of which are females)
when you have zero experience on the matter...I mean you are a virgin, right?

The point being: You base what you know on what you have seen...Check, I get that.
You also base what you've merely read/seen as FACT: when they are not facts to everyone else: just you.

There is the distinction right there. In fact I suspect those women you've seen trample on nice guys
are the typically hot, but mentally inept minds that think you must look, act and be a certain way in order for
them to find you appealing. I've been around these kind of people and in the end?

They NEVER end up truly happy, satisfied and fulfilled in life...as those who have LEARNED what people like myself,
azure, myheartisaching, bo and others have learned...

[MynameisJesus]

Oh stop being so childish.

Just because I might say something you don't like, doesn't mean I don't like you or hate you.

So now I'm childish for telling that the advice I'm given doesn't match reality.
I don't even care if you like me or not or whatever.

We've been over this time and time again and for months - and despite numerous advices given, you don't seem to have absorbed or taken notice of an ounce of it and return time and time again looking for answers to the same old subject.

I have very goodadvice from smackie9, which is effective and strides with what 95% of the females are saying. Including yourself and humble.
Smackie9 is a genius, and an honest one and I value her more than any of the wannabes on this forum.
She makes me see why my previous approach was wrong. I have put her stuff in practice and I have seen it work. I can get laid tomorrow if I want to. The thing is I am not in love with her.
She probably doesn't agree with asking all girls out. No problem. But I have learned a lot from her advice about the numerous situations you are referring to and it doesn't match with what most women say.

If you know best, then why come seeking advice?

I never said I know it all best. But I do know what doesn't work and why. And using my virginity against me, claiming I have no game like mr humble wannabe says, is low.
I have put sex on a pedistal and saved my virginity for a girl that does not exist. And I will lose it to a brainless dumb girl because I am tired of waiting. After all it is just sex and I no longer respect women like I used to for 24 years

And if you know best, why is still there NO woman in your life?

Because I am not in love anymore

[SelflessnHumble]

Using the word pussy, and then claiming that I use teachings as if I have no own opinion, tells me you are offended.

What facts were you referring to by the way. I have written so much here that I need you to be more specific

Again, if you are offended by me calling a person who writes in the way you did: a pussy then I apologize to you for it.
Call me a pussy, and it won't hurt me. I won't even dignify that with a response because it doesn't offend me!

In fact: I can say that I too (in my past) have been a pussy, an insecure little boy/child who would lash out and cry or take it out on the next
person because *I* lacked the accountability I practice now.

It doesn't hurt me to be proven wrong, to apologize or humble myself and I still appear more strong/resolute than you appear to be.
*I* don't have an ego as you do now, see?

The facts I'm referring to?
If you cannot remember what you deemed as facts: then I guess this discussion is over, isn't it?
Thanks for playing though. Your lack for owning up to what you had said is apparent for all to see.

Besides: know this....in a discussion: failure to reply to a request of either a proof of claim or a reply: puts you in dishonor.
This one may take some time to learn but assuredly...you will learn this one day sooner or later. Cheers.

[SelflessnHumble]

I have very goodadvice from smackie9, which is effective and strides with what 95% of the females are saying. Including yourself and humble.
Smackie9 is a genius, and an honest one and I value her more than any of the wannabes on this forum.

Smackie9 gives superb advice, I agree with that no question!
However: calling me a wannabe and everyone else? This is exactly what I am talking about.

I never called you a pussy, I said a person who writes that kind of childish response (and in the manner you did it in)
makes you out to be looked on as a pussy with no back bone. Common sense 101 son: people will disagree with you...

You can't take it that people do: and this silly thread has taken 7 plus pages for you to learn that lesson? Wow.

I never said I know it all best. But I do know what doesn't work and why. And using my virginity against me, claiming I have no game like mr humble wannabe says, is low.
I have put sex on a pedistal and saved my virginity for a girl that does not exist. And I will lose it to a brainless dumb girl because I am tired of waiting. After all it is just sex and I no longer respect women like I used to for 24 years

The fact is: you don't have any game! Why do you take offense to this comment? A confident and assertive man doesn't get butthurt as you do!
The fact you no longer respect women: means good luck having ANY woman on this forum (smackie9 possible included) to give YOU any respect back!

If you're going to learn how to pretend to be a bad ass: here's lesson #1 tough guy:

Don't show your hand to everyone!


Unsubscribed....Time to help people who actually really need help.
This Casinova's figured out the secrets as to how women tick.

[MynameisJesus]

Selfness I wanna reply to you in a serious way but I have ten pages to read so please make your questions specific.
I do lack assertiveness on some domains and I know why.

Let's take fear of failure which is one of the main reasons for not being assertive. Regardless of someones personality, fear of failure depends on what kind of value to give to things.

Exposing myself to failure is the only way to get over it and that was one of the reasons for my idea in this thread. I know it is a very high risk approach

I have given huge value to sex and intimacy, because I was raised with that belief of " there is this one woman" by my parents.
My sister is the same. Still not over her only boyfriend one year after the breakup. None of my 21 year old cousins have had more than 1 girlfriend because our family gives high value to it. None of them have assertivity issues

A guy in my friend group (not a friend of me personally) grew up with 2 divorces and his dad cheating around. He has the same assertivity issues that I do, but not related to women because he gives zero value to them.

And based on what I see a lot of women do, I come to realize that I have given too much of it and I am adapting now

[xxazurexx]

I'd personally say that the most intelligent female poster to grace this thread and give the best advice was Take2.

Her advice and what she says is SPOT ON.

I can get laid tomorrow if I want to. The thing is I am not in love with her.

Then try the approach elsewhere...

[xxazurexx]

Smackie9 is a genius, and an honest one and I value her more than any of the wannabes on this forum.

Referral to me?

Wannabe what???

All I've ever been is be HONEST with you. And tried to help you in regard to some silly young slut who rejoices in keeping a thousand guys hanging on at any one time...and you were pissed because she wouldn't have anything personally to do with you. Did it ever enter your head that she may just not find you attractive, rather than it was the fact you were 'too nice'??? Maybe you are an attractive guy...that still may not make you, HER type. I know a few good looking guys....but they aint personally my type.

Why do you suppose anyone in these forums would mislead you, you dopey get?

Do you think it's all a conspiracy to stop you from having success with women and getting laid???

And if you don't trust the advice here...wtf are you even doing posting here?

If you actually went OUTSIDE and mingled among women, instead of sitting around on here feeling sorry for yourself, you MIGHT meet someone...

[MynameisJesus]

Referral to me?

Wannabe what???

All I've ever been is be HONEST with you. And tried to help you in regard to some silly young slut who rejoices in keeping a thousand guys hanging on at any one time...and you were pissed because she wouldn't have anything personally to do with you. Did it ever enter your head that she may just not find you attractive, rather than it was the fact you were 'too nice'??? Maybe you are an attractive guy...that still may not make you, HER type. I know a few good looking guys....but they aint personally my type.

Why do you suppose anyone in these forums would mislead you, you dopey get?

Do you think it's all a conspiracy to stop you from having success with women and getting laid???

And if you don't trust the advice here...wtf are you even doing posting here?

If you actually went OUTSIDE and mingled among women, instead of sitting around on here feeling sorry for yourself, you MIGHT meet someone...

Not referring to you. I have always appreciated your opinion but I still believe you see things differently than most women.
I don't deny any of my issues. And I work at em. But if people call me childish for saying what I see I take offence

And to mention the young girl for the very last time since I have broken all contact with her. She does find me attractive and she has tried to be intimate with me when I barely knew her.
I know that for a fact since other women also describe me as a "pretty guy" ( I never said so, I quote)
My attraction to her was based on the fact that she was marketing herself as an easy target which is attractive to any virgin. That's it.
Now I'm in the presence of other women I don't even think of her anymore

[doppelgaenger]

This thread gets progressively gayer by the post.

[qwertz]

I cant even follow most of this thread.

I have nothing to say but...nice guys (in a non doormat sense) rock.

[doppelgaenger]

Really? So do nice girls. Wow.

[chump4u]

Since you base your "info" on "experience" I have to ask these questions in order to substantiate your claims...I didn't present my post as "info," I presented it as opinion. There is a difference.

(1) When did you first start dating? Just as soon as I realized that girls smell better than boys-- say 12 years old. When did you finally realize nice guys finish last? I think I would've been around 30 years old.

(2) How long was the most serious relationship...See below. Have you ever been in love? Yes What was the result of this? Heartbreak, misery, occasional thoughts of suicide.

(3) How many relationships have you had?What do you mean by "relationship?" Do you mean life-together gonna-get-married? A couple of those. If you mean shacking-up FWB with future possibilities, perhaps 5 or 6 of those. You mean long-term f**k-buddies? Several. How many of them ended in failure?They all began as failures, I just didn't know it at the time. Remember me? Nice Guy (tm)?

(4) What is your current status?Smug How many women have you slept with?You know, I sometimes wonder this myself, but every time I think I have a fairly good count in mind, I remember another gawdawful one-night stand or casual hit, and I have to start the count over again. Safe to say that it's more than fifty, and I'm pretty sure not more than, perhaps, sixty. Jealous? How many of these women
did you use, lie to, cheat on, and steal from? Several of them used, lied to, cheated on, and stole from me. I injured none of them in any way.

(5) How old are you? A few days younger than senility. If you really need to know, ask your grandpa...excellent chance that he and I went to school together.



I feel you fail to grasp the nature of other people's reality I feel you fail to grasp that there is no "other people's reality" any more than there is "your reality" or "my reality." There is reality, and there are many, many flawed perceptions of reality.



This is all wrong, all wrong and just plain wrong, all of it.I think the problem is that your reading of what I said is wrong, all wrong. Look again.

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[Bo]

When women say they want a nice guy, the say that because it keeps them feeling in control, in their comfort zone. Attraction gets them out of their comfort zone. It is a feeling and therefore they can't describe it with their logical approaches in this thread. It appears that it even makes them mad if you look at most replies to the simple facts I stated earlier

LOL WHY in the world are you speaking for females when you clearly are not a female? And why do you keep categorizing all women into the same group. FYI There are MANY DIFFERENT types of females out there who all want/like different things.

And nobody is getting mad, stop taking yourself so seriously dude.

Because thousands of guys all over the world are being taken advantage of and they are all full of it.
I won't bother you with it anymore.

When I was mad at women for liking Aholes earlier, and using nice guys, it was a temporary thing that would fade away. Because I thought they were exceptions.

" We ignore the ones who adore us, adore the ones who ignore us. Hurt the ones that love us, love the ones that hurt us" is a common thing that people say and there is a reason for it.

Now that I have seen it happen like 50 times I know it was not an exception. Every time I see nice guys being used, my beliefs and self worth grow and my attitude changes because I realize it gets you nowhere in life

Now I know that the majority of women take advantage of nice guys, and cry about Aholes, I am starting to become indifferent and the evidence that I see every day is changing me.
You can tell me 200 times that a red pen is blue. As long as it keeps writing in red, I'm not gonna buy it.

And your evidence is all based on some "nice" guys you see get rejected? And so this indicates that you're pretty much saying EVERY guy you've ever seen be successful with females are total douches and a-holes?

And it's not really clear what you're looking for, do you want just a date or a real fulfilling relationship? Because all REAL fulfilling relationships consists of both parties being nice and caring towards each other. Not the guy is an asshole to the girl, and girl drools over the guy who is a total d-bag. I think you are watching too many chick flicks.

All people want someone who is 'interesting' like you were saying earlier, not just women. Who the hell wants to date someone boring, nice or not?

Honestly, you don't SOUND very nice so far from everything you've said in this thread. You sound bitter, which is....not attractive.

Selfless and humble doesn't get you laid, neither do heartaches. I do not believe that guys like heartisaching ever have hot sex or make her scream. Some intimate cuddling at best.
I'm not mad at him, I used to share his same beliefs for years but I have said goodbye to it now I realize that is only makes you get used.

Some women might want him temporarly, and use him to get over someone else. He is the methadon she uses to compensate for the heroin that she's addicted to. Her private help desk

I know that most women find this very disturbing. It's pretty evident that it makes you uncomfortable. But it is what I see and it is what I believe in

YOUR REALITY is NOT EVERYONE else's reality, get it in check.

And who are you to say they've never had hot sex or made a woman scream from pleasure?? And what's that got to do with it? I'm sure they gone much farther then you have so taking the advice might be useful on you're part....or not since you seem so sure of yourself and what you've seen.

I don't know how many time females have to tell you that we don't like mean assholes but suit yourself, you still haven't had success right?