No Sex Before Marriage..

[Love'sReject]

It's just you.

[ashley89]

Is it just me, or is anyone else prone to homicidal thoughts when they see you write " 'Murrica"?

no, remember the other day I said if I see that word or "broads" again I was gonna lose it? it seems like they've appeared more since I made that statement. I'm preparing to go postal

[Wakeup]

if you feed it, it will come.

[Love'sReject]

ROFL...broads and 'Murrica. Always good for a laugh and a half.

[Wakeup]

well, "a half" anyway.

[Love'sReject]

Yeah, 'Murrica just gets more appallingly pitiful by the day...One can hardly find much to laugh about a simple, backward people any longer. Broads are always funny, though; they never change.

[ashley89]

well, "a half" anyway.

that's being generous

[Fjortis]

Actually I googled "Journal of Sex Research Women's Sexual Behavior". But hell what does the Journal of Sex Research know? It's not like they're a professional research organization devoted entirely to human sexuality or anything.

http://psr.sagepub.com/content/5/3/242.short

Abstract:
The sex drive refers to the strength of sexual motivation. Across many different studies and measures, men have been shown to have more frequent and more intense sexual desires than women, as reflected in spontaneous thoughts about sex, frequency and variety of sexual fantasies, desired frequency of intercourse, desired number of partners, masturbation, liking for various sexual practices, willingness to forego sex, initiating versus refusing sex, making sacrifices for sex, and other measures. No contrary findings (indicating stronger sexual motivation among women) were found. Hence we conclude that the male sex drive is stronger than the female sex drive. The gender difference in sex drive should not be generalized to other constructs such as sexual or orgasmic capacity, enjoyment of sex, or extrinsically motivated sex.


http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/v7/n4/abs/nn1208.html

Abstract

Men are generally more interested in and responsive to visual sexually arousing stimuli than are women. Here we used functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) to show that the amygdala and hypothalamus are more strongly activated in men than in women when viewing identical sexual stimuli. This was true even when women reported greater arousal. Sex differences were specific to the sexual nature of the stimuli, were restricted primarily to limbic regions, and were larger in the left amygdala than the right amygdala. Men and women showed similar activation patterns across multiple brain regions, including ventral striatal regions involved in reward. Our findings indicate that the amygdala mediates sex differences in responsiveness to appetitive and biologically salient stimuli; the human amygdala may also mediate the reportedly greater role of visual stimuli in male sexual behavior, paralleling prior animal findings.

Humans Parental investment theory:


By Bjorklund, David F.; Kipp, Katherine

Psychological Bulletin, Vol 120(2), Sep 1996, 163-188.

Abstract

Based on the tenets of parental investment theory, the authors postulate that there was greater pressure to inhibit potentially maladaptive emotional, social, and sexual responses on prehistoric women than men in some contexts, resulting in enhanced inhibitory abilities in women in some domains. They reviewed studies whose researchers examined gender differences on social, behavioral, and cognitive tasks involving inhibition and found gender differences favoring female humans most consistent for social tasks (e.g., control of emotions), somewhat less pronounced for behavioral tasks (e.g., delay of gratification), and weak and inconsistent for cognitive tasks (e.g., conceptual tempo). This pattern was interpreted as being consistent with the position that gender differences in inhibition are relatively domain specific in nature, with women demonstrating greater abilities on tasks related to reproduction and childrearing, which is consistent with parental investment theory. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2012 APA, all rights reserved)


One more:

http://homepage.psy.utexas.edu/HomePage/Group/MestonLAB/Publications/brain.pdf

[Fjortis]

p.s. can i get a link to the study that you posted? The old one does not work anymore..

[Wakeup]

.... RequiemofR2D2.com

[dickriculous]

^^ Interesting studies but from what I've read they don't exactly support your ideas. Your resources only show that men have a tendency to extract more sexually stimulating data through certain parts of their brain than women do through the same parts of their brain, beyond that I'm seeing a lot of admissions that the researcher's findings fail to prove men are more sexual and have stronger urges than women.

In fact, here is a piece from the last link you posted.

Several additional observations are noteworthy. First, brain activation data remained unchanged when one female subject who reported low sexual arousal was excluded from the analysis. Removal of this subject caused the average arousal of the females to significantly exceed that of the males, yet it was the males who exhibited greater amygdala activation. This is perhaps the strongest indicator that amygdala activation is not related to sexual arousal per se.

And another

The only other study to directly compare brain responses to sexual images between males and females failed to detect any sex difference. In that study males reported greater sexual arousal than females, but no significant activation differences were noted when controlling for arousal.

[Fjortis]

The Reality of the Male Sex Drive

Is there anything good about men?

Published on December 8, 2010 by Roy F. Baumeister in Cultural Animal



The problem of recognizing the reality of the male sex drive was brought home to me in a rather amusing experience I had some years ago. I was writing a paper weighing the relative influence of cultural and social factors on sexual behavior, and the influence consistently turned out to be stronger on women than on men. In any scientific field, observing a significant difference raises the question of why it happens. We had to consider several possible explanations, and one was that the sex drive is milder in women than in men. Women might be more willing to adapt their sexuality to local norms and contexts and different situations, because they aren't quite so driven by strong urges and cravings as men are.

When I brought this up in the paper as one possible theory, reviewers reacted rather negatively. They thought the idea that men have a stronger sex drive than women was probably some obsolete, wrong, and possibly offensive stereotype. I wasn't permitted to make such a statement without proof, which they doubted could be found. And when I consulted the leading textbooks on sexuality, none of them said that women had a generally milder desire for sex than men. Some textbooks explicitly said that idea was wrong. One, by Janet Hyde and Richard DeLamater, openly speculated that women actually had a stronger sex drive than men, contrary to what I thought.

Two colleagues and I decided to see what information could be gleaned from all the published research studies we could find. This meant a long process of slogging through hundreds of scientific journal articles reporting scientific studies of sexual behavior. One colleague, Kathleen Catanese (now a professor of psychology at a Midwestern college) started out as a strong feminist with the party-line belief that there was no difference in sex drive. The other, Kathleen Vohs (now a professor of marketing), was undecided. My hunch was that men had the stronger sex drive. Thus, at the outset, we held an assortment of views, but we all decided we would just follow the data and revise our opinions as the evidence came in.

The task was considerable, and I at least was nagged by the fear that this point was so obvious that no one would want to publish our research. One colleague heard we were reviewing the literature to see whether men wanted sex more than women, and she commented acidly, "Of course they do. Everybody who's ever had sex knows that!" Well, everybody, apparently, except the expert researchers on sexuality and authors of textbooks.

There is no single, clear measure of sex drive. So we approached the problem like this. Imagine two women (or two men for that matter), such that one of them has truly a stronger sex drive than the other. What differences in preferences and behavior would you expect to see between the two of them? For example, the one with the stronger sex drive would presumably think about sex more often; have more fantasies, desire, and actual sex more often; have more partners; masturbate more often; and devote more effort to having sex than the other. The reverse is quite implausible. That is, it is hard to imagine the woman with a weaker sex drive having more frequent sexual fantasies than the woman with the stronger sex drive.

And so we searched for studies that compared men and women on these types of behaviors.

After months of reading and compiling results, the answer was clear. There is a substantial difference, and men have a much stronger sex drive than women. To be sure, there are some women who have frequent, intense desires for sex, and there are some men who don't, but on average the men want it more. Every marker we could think of pointed to the same conclusion. Men think about sex more often than women do. Men have more sexual fantasies, and these encompass more different acts and more different partners.

Men masturbate more than women - much more. Masturbation is considered by sex researchers to be one of the purest measures of sex drive, because it is not much constrained by external factors (such as the need to find a partner, or the risk of pregnancy or disease). Some people say that women feel guilty about masturbation, but that's not what the data say, at least not any more. In fact, it's mainly the (few) nonmasturbating men who associated masturbation with guilt. Nonmasturbating women generally say they just don't feel any inclination to do it. They don't need guilt to resist the impulse, because they aren't resisting - because they don't have the impulse.

There's plenty more. Men take more risks and incur more costs for sex. (Remember President Clinton!) Men want sex more often than women, whether one is talking about young couples or people who have been married to the same person for forty years. Men also want more different partners than women want, and men like a greater variety of sex acts than women do.

Men initiate sex often and refuse it rarely. Women initiate it much more rarely and refuse it much more often than men. Given an opportunity for sex, men leap at it, while women say no. One classic study sent student research assistants out on campus to approach fairly attractive people (of the other gender) at random with the line, "I've been noticing you around campus and I think you're attractive. Would you like to go to bed with me tonight?" More than three-quarters of the men said yes. Not a single woman did.

Women find it easier than men to go without sex. An adult woman who is between relationships can easily go for months, sometimes even years, hardly thinking of sex and not minding if she doesn't have it. Men go nuts without sex (or at least some do). A man who loses his girlfriend will often start masturbating by the next day or two.

Even when both men and women make a heartfelt, sacred vow of chastity, the men find it much harder to keep than the woman. Catholic priests have much more sexual activity than the nuns, even though both have committed themselves to the single standard of complete abstinence and have backed this up with a sacred promise in the context of the most important beliefs and values in their lives.

In short, pretty much every study and every measure fit the pattern that men want sex more than women. It's official: Men are hornier than women (emphasis mine).

Roy F. Baumeister is the author of Is There Anything Good About Men? How Cultures Flourish by Exploiting Men.

[Wakeup]

So, if you believe that they are hornier, then why would you make them wait until marriage? What is your point in wanting to do that. Afterall that is the subject of your opening post.

[Fjortis]

Because a woman naturally has lower sex drive for a reason she is not meant for "coupulating" with too many guys. I also wanted to say that for some reason North American society is much more influenced by feminism, than other parts of the world..And some of the feminism seems to be not a healthy feminism, which I would support. I personally don't see why there's a problem with having lower sex drive as females.
I think denying differences and trying to pretend like we, females are like males, actually contradicts the idea of equality, because by wanting to be like males females admit that males are better! Otherwise there would be no reason to copy them! Why can't females take pride in their differences from males? In my opinion that is what being proud of being female really means.. and not copying male behaviour!!

[Fjortis]

P.S. Is having better control over your sexual desire and remaining level-minded in situations where a man's mind would completely shut down (for instance seeing a nearly naked hot girl) something to be proud about?? After all that's women's strength! Guys are constantly manipulated by this weaknes of theirs, for instance why do you think there's hot women posing next to expensive items for men? Because it was proven that a man's ability to think rationally is impared when he sees something sexually provocative(a hot woman). That does not happen to women, at least not nearly to the same extent!! Isn't that something to be proud about? Why do women want to pretend they are like that too?