So she's not a virgin anymore...

[cbad]

By the way, this is getting a little off-topic, but it'll disturb guys to meet, for example, old boyfriends that you know have had sex with your girlfriend or wife. People aren't like "oh, hi, you're Bill, the guy who had sex with my wife when she was 20, how's it going?" It'll be like "this rat bastard touched my wife! Even if I didn't know her back then, he's still a douche and if he even makes one move towards her, I'm going to stab him right now."

[somethinglol]

What exactly is "innocence" to you, somethinglol? How does having sex decrease it?

I'm afraid my verbal skills probably are too insufficient for telling that. Or more like I haven't really progressed it to a verbal form

[BlueMoonSal]

Yeah, but that change in attitude is just pragmatism more than anything for many guys. It's like "yeah, I'd like a virgin, but there aren't any, so I'll settle for someone who hasn't been TOO promiscuous." That's the reason for the change in attitude.

Then what can be said about this male poster on this other site. He met up with a virgin woman in her late 20's and he and another male poster didn't seem the least bit impressed.

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/romantic/dating/314349-i-really-don-t-want-virgin-women

I believe the oldest female virgin is Pam Sham who is in her early 70's. Even for a woman, that would be weird and people would start asking questions.

[searock]

trying to make it like you're the normal person for not caring if someone has sex with a different person every night.

WTF?!?! I never said that. You keep blurting out exaggerated stuff just because you can't think of anything concrete. There's a HUGE difference between having sex in a relationship, or in a friends with benefits situation, or even sporadic casual sex with a stranger, and actually having sex with a different person every night. The latter case likely means that the person sleeping with a different person every night has some kind of emotional disorder that makes them seek for emotional validation through sex, or something. Nobody wants to be with an emotionally damaged person.

Most people don't lie about the number of sexual partners they've had, I mean who does that?! Only insecure people that actually want (for some obscure reason) to get with people who judge other people based on the number of previous sexual partners.

That's great and very liberal of you, but all that really means is that you don't have any actual emotional attachment to anyone you've had sex with. You just lusted after them, had sex, and moved on.

WAY off.

You can have an emotional attachment or not, but having sex with a person does NOT make you less "innocent". It does nothing to your personality, nothing at all. If you are innocent, you remain innocent. If you aren't, you aren't whether you have sex or not. For example: the creepiest guy I have ever met (40 year old guy that openly lusts after teenage girls and goes to high school parties just to look at them all dressed up and so on) is actually a virgin. Is he innocent? LOL, soooo far from it.

Having sex does NOT change a person's personality or values.

By the way, most of the guys I know wouldn't prefer a virgin, they would prefer a more mature and experienced woman, a woman who is pretty much at their same level experience-wise.

[dickriculous]

By the way, this is getting a little off-topic, but it'll disturb guys to meet, for example, old boyfriends that you know have had sex with your girlfriend or wife. People aren't like "oh, hi, you're Bill, the guy who had sex with my wife when she was 20, how's it going?" It'll be like "this rat bastard touched my wife! Even if I didn't know her back then, he's still a douche and if he even makes one move towards her, I'm going to stab him right now."

Actually, most guys are not bipolar and codependent. If you are either of these things you should work on fixing yourself as opposed to trying to project your problems on the entire male gender.

[cbad]

I'm afraid my verbal skills probably are too insufficient for telling that. Or more like I haven't really progressed it to a verbal form

searock is just being silly to win an argument. We all know what innocence is and we all know that, for example, a prostitute on the street corner is not innocent. It's a state of not corrupted. You want to know that what this girl is experiencing is the first time and is special, not like you're just the most recent guy to be with her. You don't need to justify that.

[cbad]

Then what can be said about this male poster on this other site. He met up with a virgin woman in her late 20's and he and another male poster didn't seem the least bit impressed.

I believe the oldest female virgin is Pam Sham who is in her early 70's. Even for a woman, that would be weird and people would start asking questions.

Sure, there are guys who don't want to be with virgins. I didn't mean to say it's literally 100% of the people. However, for most of those guys, that's just them putting up a front. I would bet you that the guy made a move on her, got rebuffed -- otherwise, how would he know she's a virgin? -- and now is like "yeah, who wants to be with her, anyways?" That's how us guys are, lol.

As for the woman in her 70s, so what? I'm not saying people are trying to get with a 70-year-old virgin. To me, it just means that she never met someone she wanted to have sex with. Far better to do that than what a lot of other people do, which is to say that they just have sex with someone they don't love. That's my opinion, take it for what it's worth.

[cbad]

Most people don't lie about the number of sexual partners they've had, I mean who does that?!

Uh, OK, but now you're just writing things that have no basis in reality.

[searock]

We all know what innocence is

I know what it is, but clearly we have different definitions. What is innocence to you? What does "being corrupted" mean? To me, being corrupted means having experienced something that has changed your moral values in a negative way. For example, a child soldier that was forced at gunpoint to kill his little sister... he is corrupted and will probably never be the same as before (not intentionally of course). Innocence, to me, means that someone is an inherently good person, they would never intentionally harm anybody else and they are a bit naive in that they believe most other people would not hurt anybody else either.

You want to know that what this girl is experiencing is the first time and is special, not like you're just the most recent guy to be with her. You don't need to justify that.

This is what you want, not what most guys want. And, once again: there is nothing inherently special about the first time. There are lots of other factors that make sex special: it being your first time is not one of them.

[searock]

Uh, OK, but now you're just writing things that have no basis in reality.

Uh, no, I'm writing things that I have observed from experience. I literally don't know about any woman who has lied to anyone about her number of sexual partners. There really is no need to lie about it. If a guy is bothered by your number of sexual partners, it means you aren't compatible, so it's better to weed him out asap.

[cbad]

I literally don't know about any woman who has lied to anyone about her number of sexual partners.

Okey dokey.

[cbad]

By the way, your definition of innocence is not correct. You say that "innocence" is just "a good person." So to you, for example, I presume a porn star could be totally innocent or a prostitute, as well.

[searock]

A porn star, yes. A prostitute, it depends on whether they are doing it out of their own free will, or if they have been coerced into it. In the latter case, they might have been "corrupted" in that they may have lost that naivety I was talking about... they may no longer believe that most people are inherently good and will not harm them.

[cbad]

Exactly, so your definition of "innocence" basically isn't held by most people. It's just you making some rationalization so that you can say "well, I'm also innocent like a virgin!" That's great, but you're not. Nobody else uses the word in that manner.

[searock]

It's just you making some rationalization so that you can say "well, I'm also innocent like a virgin!"

Hahahaha, you say this like I would WANT to be anything like a virgin XD! Being a virgin is NOT, per se, a positive attribute. Hell, I even provided you with a blatant counter-example (that 40 year old creep I wrote about earlier - creepiest guy alive, and a 100% virgin). I definitely don't want to be as "innocent" as he is XD!

Anyway, no, that's not what's happening. I'm just saying what innocent means:

in·no·cence noun \ˈi-nə-sən(t)s\
: the state of being not guilty of a crime or other wrong act

: lack of experience with the world and with the bad things that happen in life

: lack of knowledge about something

Innocent means "not guilty". Having sex doesn't make you guilty of anything, having sex is not a negative or corrupting thing.