i don;t now why as a guy we have to do everything, take the inititave to talk to the girl, wonder if she is intrested, and if she is ask her out and we might even get rejection and face embarassment. i mean as a guy i have to do a lot of work.
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i don;t now why as a guy we have to do everything, take the inititave to talk to the girl, wonder if she is intrested, and if she is ask her out and we might even get rejection and face embarassment. i mean as a guy i have to do a lot of work.
Only when you're young.
How young? I'm turning 26, do I still have to take the effort? :)
Cause we're the men... we're beasts, slobs! They are the beautiful princesses!
Ha ha!
Yeah, I feel for you guys. Its true, you really do have to put yourselves out there. Its too bad its that way, I guess.
We do all the work to get the girl, so that we can at least try to make up for the 9 months of pain and suffering we put the girls through each time they have your kids.
Mick
lol mini! not to mention the other months of just generally putting up with all your bullshit.
men that think this way are a big turn off. maybe it just feels like you're working too hard because doing the wrong thing. first thing to do is change your thinking. it's not that hard to win us over. it's all about doing THE RIGHT THING... you know?
Thats true and if I seriously wanted to be with a girl I would not mind having to work to get her because its only that much sweeter when you get her!
That's funny, because I always hear guys that complain they have to do all the work, but then they get all intimidated by women that actually take the initiative. One friend even told me "I thought I'd like a girl like that, but they turn out to be too aggressive." Is there a happy medium??
Agreed, but only for girls who know what they want, or don't play games.Quote:
Originally Posted by misombra
Also, I don't mind a girl coming on to me at all, either way...if it works..grand to the both of us!
Misombra, what the hell are you talking about? What bullshit? Guys are the most outgoing, easy to get along with people I know. We don't cause drama. We don't cry over stupid shit. We don't try to manipulate people. We pretty much know what we want. I can go up to a guy and start a friendly conversation with him. If I approach a girl, she automatically thinks I'm hitting on her.
What I've noticed about girls is they pick and choose equal priviledges when it suits them. They want equal jobs, equal pay, equal opportunity, but how come you don't hear them complain about not being drafted into the army or the monopoly women have on divorce? Girls still expect guys to initiate everything. We have to approach them and ask them out. What does a girl do? They just stand there and get hit on. Woe is their life. Many girls even expect guys to drive them around and pay on dates. So much for equality.
Wow, you obviously haven't been reading too many posts from guys on loveforum.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoSeminole
I could refute everything you just said with a myriad of threads and posts on here.
Oh, and your argument about equality is bullshit. I don't understand why women should have to 'fight for' or 'want' equality....everyone is human and we all deserve equal treatment in all areas regardless of sex, race, color, whatever. Don't use that as a basis for an argument, it's so..........dated. It also makes you sound just a wee bit chauvinist.
Get over it - be a man.
Ah. Nothing like a good brawl to liven up an otherwise ordinary board. Who brought the chips? Where's the dip?
my views are different from yours. probably because i am a woman and you are probably a man.
but honestly i was just ****ing around. i like guys a lot of them are pretty cool.
Don't get me started. I'm a little tipsy and lookin' for a fight!
GRRRRRRRRRRR :tough:
every time a guy says this shit to me i think he's just trying to get me mad. i'm only saddened when i think they're serious.
Ther are two tricks to love-making, joe45: First, you have to learn how to fall into a woman's arms without also falling into her hands. After that, you have to learn how and where to touch her just a split second BEFORE she realizes that's EXACTLY how and where she WANTED to be touched. That's, really, the only "work" in the matter a guy should have to do. After that, it's all ease and flow.
word to your mother.
Who do you I think I learned it from? Common. Look at my location.
I agree...Quote:
Originally Posted by misombra
If you think you are "working" then why bother, relationships should just happen naturally. If you dont like what you have to do to keep them, maybe that person isn't "the one".
You need to 'do things' to make a relations great. But it shouldn't feel like work.
Mick
bluesummer writes:
"Wow, you obviously haven't been reading too many posts from guys on loveforum.
I could refute everything you just said with a myriad of threads and posts on here."
Should I read their posts? Go ahead, refute me. I could care less. Most of the people who post here represent a small percentage of the population. I'm sure there are guys out there who cause drama, cry over stupid shit, or try to manipulate people. However, for every guy there are many more girls who do all of those. I stand by my original comment.
"Oh, and your argument about equality is bullshit. I don't understand why women should have to 'fight for' or 'want' equality....everyone is human and we all deserve equal treatment in all areas regardless of sex, race, color, whatever. Don't use that as a basis for an argument, it's so..........dated. It also makes you sound just a wee bit chauvinist."
I don't know where you were going with that. In fact, you supported my argument. My point is that girls pick and choose when they want to pull the equality card. Why can't girls approach guys and ask them out? Afterall, everyone deserves equal treatment in all areas. You said it yourself. By the way, I suggest you look up the definition of chauvinist.
I guess down the line of our past of humankind, the man has always done the hard work first and it's stuck in our mindsets.
I do wish girls would take the initiative more often though because it'd make things a bit more fair.
In the end, whatever works works.
Girls ask guys out all the time, so I really don't understand what all the bitching is about. What I hate is whiny ass men who complain about having to ask chicks out. If you don't have the balls to do it, and no girls are interested enough in you to ask you out, then be single. What the hell should the rest of the normally functioning world care.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoSeminole
P.S. I don't use words I can't define. And I said it made you SOUND a BIT chauvinistic. I didn't call you a chauvinist, so chill.
I agree. Im to laid back thats why I will never have a chick. I just dont give a **** enough to go and get one. Come to me my ladies...no?....well **** you my hand is good enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe45
I got a vasectomy and can not have kids...can I now skip all the effort and work?Quote:
Originally Posted by mini696
I would just like to say that : I do not whine, I do not care to ask them out, they do not ask me out...I am single :) . Whats worse then someone who whines about this is someone who whines about someone who whines about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluesummer
ROFL! ...oh shit..my stomach hurts from laughing.Quote:
normally functioning world
Laughing at what exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Only-virgins
I know you don't get it, so I won't waste my time to explain. AGAIN.
bluesummer, girls hardly ask guys out. I think most guys will agree with me. If you don't believe me, then answer this question: if every guy suddenly stopped asking girls out, do you think the number of couples would stay the same? Hell no. I dont know how this is equal.
The reason for "bitching," as you call it, is simple. We always have to approach girls and ask them out. It would be nice if girls would return the favor. Afterall, we hold doors open for them, we pay for them, and we wait ages for them to get ready. What's their excuse? "You should just deal with it b/c you are guys." What I hate is girls who want equality when it suits them.
chauvinist (n): a person with a prejudiced belief in the superiority of one's own gender, group, or kind.
Care to explain to me how I remotely demonstrate this?
Then turn gay and you won't have to worry about asking women out - you can let guys ask you out.
The majority of the time, men ask women out.. why? cause we're men. Just get over it and stop bitching, it's not going to make women want to ask you out. What do you hope to accomplish? Congress to pass a law that says women must equally ask out men?
Tone, I do not have a problem asking girls out. I can see why some guys might have a problem with girls who never approach guys. It's frustrating to get rejected over and over again. My comment was meant to show why it's unfair for guys to do all the work approaching girls. It would save a lot of time and embarrassment if they would take initiative sometimes. I'm not saying girls should ask guys out as often as vice versa. If voicing my opinion makes girls less attracted to me, then so be it. I am not attracted to simpletons.
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Originally Posted by bluesummer
Hm. A little too much coffee lately, Bluesummer?
None of you guys really want women to take more initiative. You only THINK you do. Imagine how things would be if they DID? All of you guys would be either a) stalking around trying to keep tabs on "your" woman (trying to make sure no other guy was "despoiling your property"), or b) wringing your hands with each other in "coping" groups, trying to understand why "your" women were so insensitive to your needs.
Furthermore, you don't really want it because, if they were to, you'd have one less arena in which to flex your muscles and beat on your ego-ridden chests at each other over how great a set of conquerers you all are.
Stop bullshitting yourselves. What you REALLY want is to lay on your back, preferably half-asleep, and get cum-swallowing blow jobs from women more frequently than you are.
HA! exactly.
AND i asked my boyfriend out. yes i did. i chased him and told him "you're my boyfriend" and here is in my house all the time. all he had to do was be the sweet cake he is.
You are like, one of the few men on here that understand the nature of your own gender.Quote:
Originally Posted by whaywardj
This topic got buried. I wanted to revive it long enough to get some reponses to it, particularly from Bluesummer, who seemed to have the strongest feelings about the idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by whaywardj
Well, you'll have to excuse my ignorance then. I must travel in a pack of unusually aggressive, confident girls that have no problem going after what they want (like myself). I've never once stood around and waited for a guy to approach me, and nor has any friend of mine.....so maybe my perspective is skewed based on my personal social surroundings. Who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoSeminole
My comment about you sounding a bit chauvinist was also based on personal experience....most of the men I've met that make comments about women being manipulative or 'causing drama' or 'crying over stupid shit' (this is out of YOUR post) and implying that MOST women do this, are exactly that. Also, please don't assume I need to have my choice of words defined for me. I have three years of university english (with A's to boot). I'm not exactly what you'd call dense.
These comments were written merely in the spirit of friendly argument. Good day to you!
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Originally Posted by bluesummer
I don't believe there's a right answer here and anyone who does, it's their own OPINION.
It would be sweet if some women were more active with guys, but right now we just gotta live with it. I have been lucky enough to have a couple girls introduce themselves to me, and I find that great!