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Originally Posted by boobaa [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Besides, what bad did I say about America now? You people are way too uptight imho.

"A lot of you think Obama is different, but if you look at his team, you can predict another wars to come. He has created an illusion that your apathetic americans can have a say, but I doubt it will happen."

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You generalized Americans as "apathetic" and that we all voted for something that doesn't matter. I think it mattered a great deal.

Anyway, you say we can't make assumptions about Estonia because we haven't been there, but we're going on what we've read/seen in print or TV. Just like how you base us on what you read or see in the media.

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Originally Posted by misombra [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

i think marriage should be the church's decision. that prop being on the ballot was government encroaching upon the church.

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The church (or whatever religious organization) has always had the right to refuse to marry people. That wouldn't have changed. They weren't looking for religious acceptance (although the No on 8 campaign *did* have some religious support). In fact, they already had the right to marry in California, and some religious denominations would perform marriages, and others wouldn't.

This proposition took away any right to marry, whether it be in or out of the church.

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Originally Posted by tooxshort [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

You generalized Americans as "apathetic" and that we all voted for something that doesn't matter. I think it mattered a great deal.

Anyway, you say we can't make assumptions about Estonia because we haven't been there, but we're going on what we've read/seen in print or TV. Just like how you base us on what you read or see in the media.

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Actually that 'apathetic' calling came from a fellow American :)
Yup, some of you are uptight.

Now take a good look at history, how many wars have been canceled? there are wars because there are needs for a war, and if there is a need, no-one is going to stop it, even Mr President. Your country, my friend, is not run by President, your country is run by corporations. All candidates come from same corporations, they are part of them and are influenced by them, they get resources. Your whole country is a big world eating corporation, face it. Look at ties in Bush family, Clinton, etc.

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Originally Posted by boobaa [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Your whole country is a big world eating corporation, face it.

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Fine. Let's start by eating Estonia. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

My friend bought a six pack of amazingly racist colas so we could toast Obama's victory. I had to post a pic of them. I can't stop cracking up.

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Seeing as marriage is becoming more of a cultural rather than religious practice the ban should only be imposed on church marriages if they're against it so much, but not the chance to marry altogether.

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Originally Posted by Gribble [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

It doesn't surprise me. Hypocrisy is the name of the game. It's a never ending cycle.

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Interesting. I don't find it at all hypocritical. A lot of minorities who came out to vote this election are religious. For a lot of them, the fact that Obama is erudite & intelligent is just a bonus beyond the fact that he's from a visible minority. Their 'Saviour' comes to mind. I feel for Obama in this, he's got a tough road ahead.

Still, whatever it takes. He got in & McCain didn't, is all that matters.

It is ironic that demographics that claim to be oppressed will not hesitate to do the same to someone else if given the opportunity?

His victory speech was really good.

A little bit of humour from Ann Coulter


Indeed, the only good thing about McCain is that he gave us a genuine conservative, Sarah Palin. He's like one of those insects that lives just long enough to reproduce so that the species can survive. That's why a lot of us are referring to Sarah as "The One" these days.

For now, we have a new president-elect. In the spirit of reaching across the aisle, we owe it to the Democrats to show their president the exact same kind of respect and loyalty that they have shown our recent Republican president.

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucac/20081106/cm_ucac/thereignoflamefallsmainlyonmccain[/url]

Respect is earned, not given. I think Obama will earn the respect of both dems & gops if he's given half a chance. "I'll be your president too" was brilliant.

What a stupid bint is Ann Coulter. Her comment isn't at all clever. GWB lost everyones respect b/c he's an idiot and a poor leader. He went way beyond party lines to prove that long ago.

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Originally Posted by Frasbee [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

It is ironic that demographics that claim to be oppressed will not hesitate to do the same to someone else if given the opportunity?

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aaaaahaahjhaaaa that's right frizzzz! i'm gonna be making you white boys my slaves soon so you better prepare!

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I know that you have been hearing that Obama would be the first black president. But you and I both know that this is not true. Obama is only half black. Not only is he only half black he was not raised in a black environment. He was raised by his single mother, because his black father did what is so common with black men that there are jokes about it.

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aaaaahaahjhaaaa that's right frizzzz! i'm gonna be making you white boys my slaves soon so you better prepare!

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I hope you forcefully take my seed misombra

I hope Obama sets a good example for black people and doesn't embarrass them...though black people are good at that doing it to themself anyways. He seems to have a good head on his shoulders. In fact since black people seem to think that he is their icon so much the more they make it that they have a lot riding on it. If this guy ****s it up it will **** it up for the next one trying to get into office.


lol I don't think Obama is going to all of a sudden try and turn to the favor for all minorities like this all of a sudden how some black people around here seem to think. My Dad's friends wife is a math teacher in a school where a lot of African American teachers work and the next day after Obama was labeled as the winner they didn't go to class but walked around talking about the Obama victory. They all got fired and his wife said that they were surprised..I mean wtf...he isn't going to make white people slaves or some shit...if he did we would just kick him out(congress is still more powerful, thanks to democracy) and than start throwing African American babies into pits of fire to make ourselves feel better :D .

I think his being elected will change a lot of things. Minorities, like myself, have never even thought of anyone less than white being president. I feel as though it'll help ease racial tension in many areas and also takes away an excuse that minorities have been accustomed to using ...

I hope maybe we can move toward dropping the concept of minorities now and just accept that we're all American regardless of color and regardless of where our great great grandfathers were born. No more of this African American or Asian American bullshit. Just plain old American across the board as it should be.

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I hope maybe we can move toward dropping the concept of minorities now and just accept that we're all American regardless of color and regardless of where our great great grandfathers were born. No more of this African American or Asian American bullshit. Just plain old American across the board as it should be.

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I would love that too! trust me....but it isn't race that separates us...it is money. Some people just seem to think that he is going to make their poor a$$ richer. Hell no, even with Obama as president the poor will still be poor and the rich will still be rich. The rich run this country, it will always be this way.

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I would love that too! trust me....but it isn't race that separates us...it is money. Some people just seem to think that he is going to make their poor a$$ richer. Hell no, even with Obama as president the poor will still be poor and the rich will still be rich. The rich run this country, it will always be this way.

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And still people freak out whenever anyone mentions socialism. ;)

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Originally Posted by Only-virgins [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

I would love that too! trust me....but it isn't race that separates us...it is money. Some people just seem to think that he is going to make their poor a$$ richer. Hell no, even with Obama as president the poor will still be poor and the rich will still be rich. The rich run this country, it will always be this way.

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I know exactly how hard Obama had to work to get where he did, college-wise. Again, its the difference b/t thinking of him as 'Saviour' (those dumb schoolteachers) vs. 'Inspiration'.

Obama didn't take a day off after being elected. He was up early & right back at it. He's an inspiration. Same as ppl like Oprah, who also worked her ass off. Or Bill Gates or Steve Jobs for that matter. Those who are willing to work, get, in the US. THAT is what makes it so remarkable. That kind of freedom *isn't* found in a lot of other countries around the world. Obama has just shown that those who whine they are being prevented from this b/c of race/sex/etc are full of self-pity & shit.

He should change his motto to "YOU can too" (if you are prepared to work at it).

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don't you know about american standards? don't you know about the one drop rule? guess not.

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I know exactly how hard Obama had to work to get where he did, college-wise. Again, its the difference b/t thinking of him as 'Saviour' (those dumb schoolteachers) vs. 'Inspiration'.

Obama didn't take a day off after being elected. He was up early & right back at it. He's an inspiration. Same as ppl like Oprah, who also worked her ass off. Or Bill Gates or Steve Jobs for that matter. Those who are willing to work, get, in the US. THAT is what makes it so remarkable. That kind of freedom *isn't* found in a lot of other countries around the world. Obama has just shown that those who whine they are being prevented from this b/c of race/sex/etc are full of self-pity & shit.

He should change his motto to "YOU can too" (if you are prepared to work at it).

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I agree. I hope to think he might be one of the best Presidents we have had. I just don't understand the mind frame of some of his followers.

He kind of sends off the Jimmy Carter vibe, but probably won't suck as much

There's something about him in the white house that fills you with hope.

What's not to understand? Its victim mindset. Looking for excuses where personal responsibility doesn't have to play a role.

One of the lovely things about the US is that it comes closest (or at least sets the theoretical standard) for a true meritocracy. Sure, there are other issues at play, but as more visible minorities acheive and pave the way for others, their excuses become less valid.

I'm a woman trained in science. Historically, this was a minority achievement and a BFD. Not anymore. Now its just a question of who is good & who isn't. A good thing, I think.

We know a lot of ppl voted for Obama b/c of his race. Shrug. A lot of women would have voted for Hillary for the same reason. I just happen to think it means they had to be that much better to get there. Again, it sets an example for others & paves the way for the future.

I wish I could care that he was black just so I could understand the hype and criticism.

Here's a funny thing.

I believe that many people that were against Obama were looking...begging that he would show some kind of behavior or say something that is stereotypical urban thug, because they would have hung on to that like flies on shit.

But he never did, or at least not enough to catch attention.

So instead, I repeatedly saw quotes of people saying things like "he scares me", "he makes me uncomfortable", "I'm frightened at what he will do", and the classic, "he fits the description of the anti-christ.

Why?

Because he has proved himself to be perfectly competent. Because he speaks well and is quick to counter point. Because he managed to keep his composure under stress. Because he doesn't fit their stereotypical, drug dealing, negro.

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Originally Posted by Mishanya [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

There's something about him in the white house that fills you with hope.

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Y'know, I was talking to this amazingly beautiful woman today and she mentioned exactly that. Everyone seems so hopeful now that Obama's been elected. Everyone's having a great day. She asked me if I attributed my so-far excellent week to Obama's victory.

Also she wore this lavender blouse with the top buttons undone just enough that I couldn't actually see her cleavage but all I could think about was how if she just tugged the shirt a little bit or loosened the next button it'd be right there. Oh my god, ladies take notice: that is so much hotter than just baring it all. Goddamn, I wanted to rip that blouse open and take her right there in public. I didn't tell her that was the reason I was so happy and upbeat while we spoke.

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She asked me if I attributed my so-far excellent week to Obama's victory.

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Sheep. Baaah. :P You can actually tell who's got real brains & who is just hype based on their response to this election.

Anyway, Obama has brought on Rahm Emanuel. Genius. The comments so far on this have been "oh, but he's got brass balls...that's not very sporting".

The more I read about Obama the more impressed I am. The guy KNOWS he will need *all* sorts of talent to get anything done in shark-infested Washington, not just the idealists. Plus, its always better to leave the hard ball stuff to ppl that enjoy it. Obama is a smooth operator, reminds me a lot of Clinton. I think its a good decision.

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What's not to understand? Its victim mindset. Looking for excuses where personal responsibility doesn't have to play a role.

One of the lovely things about the US is that it comes closest (or at least sets the theoretical standard) for a true meritocracy. Sure, there are other issues at play, but as more visible minorities acheive and pave the way for others, their excuses become less valid.

I'm a woman trained in science. Historically, this was a minority achievement and a BFD. Not anymore. Now its just a question of who is good & who isn't. A good thing, I think.

We know a lot of ppl voted for Obama b/c of his race. Shrug. A lot of women would have voted for Hillary for the same reason. I just happen to think it means they had to be that much better to get there. Again, it sets an example for others & paves the way for the future.

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No shit.

That's what it takes for most people to realize, though; things broadcasted, years in advance, international ceremonies, blah blah blah.

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Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Sheep. Baaah. :P You can actually tell who's got real brains & who is just hype based on their response to this election.

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Baaah back atcha. She was joking. Don't go mocking incredibly attractive career-oriented woman of my dreams, dammit! ;)

Boobs over brains, babe? S'all right w/me. ;)

She has them both. She's got a doctorate in addition to the amazing boobs.

Also, she's got these big bright eyes that are so vibrant, so full of life. And let's not forget the dimple in her chin that appears whenever she smiles. Which is often. Gaah! Me so horny.

And a sarcastic sense of humour? Wow, sounds like your dream girl. Holy cow if she's single you better go jump <on> her.

Meh. My careful probing has revealed that she isn't interested in relationships. (By careful probing I mean she said "I'm not interested in relationships" once and I made a mental notation) Neither am I. However, I get the impression she isn't interested in casual sex, either. So... ****. I probably wouldn't be so drawn to her if she were readily available, though.

Anyway... Obama. Yeah. He's awesome.

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Originally Posted by Frasbee [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

I wish I could care that he was black just so I could understand the hype and criticism.

Here's a funny thing.

I believe that many people that were against Obama were looking...begging that he would show some kind of behavior or say something that is stereotypical urban thug, because they would have hung on to that like flies on shit.

But he never did, or at least not enough to catch attention.

So instead, I repeatedly saw quotes of people saying things like "he scares me", "he makes me uncomfortable", "I'm frightened at what he will do", and the classic, "he fits the description of the anti-christ.

Why?

Because he has proved himself to be perfectly competent. Because he speaks well and is quick to counter point. Because he managed to keep his composure under stress. Because he doesn't fit their stereotypical, drug dealing, negro.

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Obama is as much white as he is black and he went to Harvard. Obama is black, not a nigger. There are niggers and than there are black people. Just like there are white people and there are wiggers.

Like I said. I think Obama will make a great President..HOWEVER..he is not the second coming of Jesus the way his supporters are acting and he is not the coming of the Anti-Christ the way his opposers are acting. Personally, I think it will be just a nice quiet 4-8 year term.

There's white and white trash, also. Is that = wigger? LOL, I just learned a new word today. :)

Wigger is a white kid that dresses like a thug.

White trash is a term that pisses me off. When you think about it it implies that you need specify that this particular bit of trash is white because apparently most trash comes in shades of brown or yellow.

there's trashy people of all ethnicities.

I could go on and on about the "types" of people within a race that I hate ...