Nice new sexy avatars Junsui and Misha
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Nice new sexy avatars Junsui and Misha
hehe , Mish's avatar's is a guy ... from a video game
now Junsui is just being a tease
its funny because i rarely see any bugs in my house except for like hundreds of spiders ... dunno why but theyr all in my room ... in the basement ,... coldest room in the whole house ... i have a specific stick with wich i kill them when they are on unreacheble places such as :ceiling , corner walls , under my bed and desk ... the bottom of the stick has been filled with so many dead spider bodies that when i go to put it at its place (standing) it cant balance because of all the bodies so it leans on the wall .
oopps, i didn't look at it too closely
Nice thread, I actually agree with TONE. But well, lets just hope that you only know the basics of animal cruelty and basics of knowing of animal experiments and stuff, or you would probably kill yourself, there are persons who have done hat. And I must say that I actually almost understand people who run into a store and throw acid to natural coats. i just red a spam e-mail that was introducing new sort of medcine for pets what slowe the aging process on animals, they say that I'll love it, but I say that how many pets died while this kind of medcine was being developed.
But those who won't understand, like OV, never will, they are too buzy with their humanism determination and that culture stuff. What culture? For us, life is experience, we read a book, watch TV, that is our culture, that is our life. For other animals, life is experience also, they learn, they teach, they look and they travel, for them, it is life and we cannot argue on that point. From OVs point, it is seen that human can only accept someone who thinks like human. We think that animals do nothing and they are useless, but amaybe animals think the same about us, for them, we just eat, watch television and thats all, and ofcourse, we destroy other creatures homes. And as TONe or somebody said that we humans can choose careers and stuff, that this is our life point, well, we do it only because we want to eat and watch television, thats it, we are pointless, useless and as cultured as other animals.
Humans don't understand other animals, and same stands for animals, if human sees a car by looking out of the window, cat sees bird and so on. Only thing is, that most of the humans expect the cat to see the car.
And as for the humanism, I don't like that word, I think it just has wrong name, there is not much to do with humans and humanism.
As for animal culture, there are animal memories. Like someone pointed out that squirrels are being scared of. Well, where I live, crowns attack cats and humans. In one graveyard, one blonde haired woman stepped on a crowns baby, who had fallen out from nest, purpously. Well, obviously the crown saw this and now all the crowns there attack blonde haired humans. Revenge of the crowns.
But well, death is everywhere where we live. Every product you use, you kill at least one animal. Some fox dies because he got hit by a truck what transported keyboard parts what I am using right now. When I walk across the road, i see so many dead birds and pieces of run-over foxes... Or you go to McDonalds and eat a part of once lived organism. Now think, how many other animals does fox kill while he is trying to survive only, yes, just 1, and he still gets to play with an acron and his girlfriend can give a birth to nice fox puppies without killing someone.
LOL :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by boobaa
It's so slow on here today!
I hope it is only due to the holidays! I miss my internet buddies...
:-(
Interesting thought process, boobaa.
Wait a minute. These are completely different. Dinosaurs, it is speculated, had NO CONTROL over a meteor hitting the earth and wiping them out. Unless they have powers beyond our knowledge that could summon or attract it here - it just happened. Dinosaurs lived like most wild animals lived - to reproduce. What we do IS OUR OWN DOING - it is not beyond our control - we as a SPECIES are to blame for the problems today. We go out and poach endangered animals, pump pollution into the air and waters, we chop down forest after forest to expand our cities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mishanya
Do you see the point I'm tryin to make? Sure, it is beyond you and I's control to an extent, but we as a species are to blame. The dinosaurs cannot be blamed for their extinction, whereas we could be.
Again reread your own words. What is the common source of your problems listed... indiscriminate killings, biowarfare, violence, etc etc - ALL CAUSED BY OUR OWN SELVES. You're just not getting it. The dinosaurs didn't kill each other off, they didn't create biological and chemical weapons.. We are the cause, we are the reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mishanya
That's all fine and dandy. Sure the planet has seen worse damage. But I wonder if anything will change that WE are the source of the damage this time. Never has a species done as much damage as we have. Does mother earth punish us with natural disasters because of what we do to her and her children? Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mishanya
Tone, you have a very strange perception of humans. You tend to think that people are an ant farm with some kind of a singular consciousness. That is not true. Just like Dinosaurs had no control of whatever it was that wiped them out, so do humans have no control over their own greed and intent to be better off than others. That's never going to change, but remove humans from the planet and so what, a meteor can still hit the earth and end life as we know it as happened before...
I understand what you are saying humans are bad, nature is good and maybe that's where it should start, with one person, with you. Start doing good and build up a community of like minded people around you. You won't save the planet, but you will do small miracles that might save lives and inspire the others to follow...
My 2 Cs :)
Tone, here are some interesting questions for you:
If evolution is change methods of destruction for change and adoptation of species to new and destructive environements to occur, whose to say that humans are not just another chain in evolution? (I.e. providers of destruction for the next stage of evolution of other species)
Whose to say that humans were not specifically put on this planet by nature to create destruction on a level that will allow more adobtable species to evolve?
I know this isn't as bad as what people have done to the earth, but I had to show you, Tone, that it's not only humans destroying nature.
"There are plenty of culprits from which to choose in assigning blame for the destruction of Louisiana's marshes: oil companies that carved wetlands to tatters with their exploratory canals, levees that hemmed in the nourishing waters of the Mississippi River, burrowing nutria that left marshes exposed to grass-killing saltwater.
Now, the state's dwindling coastline must deal with another nemesis: the marble-sized periwinkle snail.
Researchers from Brown and Louisiana State universities added it to the list after witnessing millions of the snails chomping their way through drought-weakened marshlands across the Gulf of Mexico and up the eastern seaboard. Over the past six years, the snails have left in their wake thousands of acres of bare mud flats where there were once thriving wetlands."
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I never said anything about animals. My point is that we are not destroying earth. We are not fixing it either. To try to prevent the resources from ever dying out on earth is to try and prevent the inevitable. One day earth will look like mars...the end. Sorry, didnt mean to burst some people's super religious rightious beliefs bubble of we will live forever.
I did. I don't think we are "out of place" as you put it. In fact we are exactly were we are supposed to be. How the hell are we "out of place"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tone
I don't agree with killing animals for clothing. I don't mind killing them for food though. I need to eat so its me versus the cow. I have a gun(technological advantage) thus I win.....thus I eat. Animals do it not just us. We are more advanced. Animals don't think that way. They barely have the logic to think at all. They just feel and run on instinct. How much do you remember from you conscious self at age lower then 5? ...yea..I thought so. I put a value on pain. I am a Utilitarian but I put no value on life. Once some thing is dead it never did and doesn't exist. I have nothing against the way animal groups do things. Animals also kill each other ( that includes for fun). I also would argue against the idea that an animal has the brain power to realize that we are watching TV. My mothers cat can't even realize that there are images there lol. I am not saying that animals are stupid or inferior. Just that they do not realize or even have the ability to care that we are doing something to the enviornment. To them its just a struggle to get food and breed.Quote:
Originally Posted by boobaa
Those ARE interesting questions! Ones I have no answer for... maybe we WERE invented to do precisely what we do... however cruel it may seem to some of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mishanya
Again we will probably never know the TRUTH - but it is fun to speculate...
OV also had interesting points.
Well I was mostly talking about animals. I never brought up anything about resources either.. I asked what good we have done as a species, and mentioned polluting the ocean, the air, and holes in the ozone - not necessarily "destroying" the world, but certainly not helping it, like you said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Only-virgins
OV, humans are also animals. And one species is more advanced in one point and the other is form another. Reading your post, I see that you did not read my post carefully enough to point out some things. Humans and other animal species set values to different things, so you cannot actually say that cat is more stupid than human, for a cat, we are stupid because we cannot hunt a bird with our bare hands and for us, cat is stupid because she doesn't understand what television is. We expect one from another and that is the way it has always been. I think smartness is if you can see and value things below yourself, see things from another corner.
And once and for all, I just don't like speculative humanism beings who always talk about culture and stuff, usually they misunderstand something, and like I said, they are too speculative. Don't be speculative about nature, it doesn't make you better, it usually just mirrors the aspect that you don't know anything, and if you don't know anything, it is just better to confess it to yourself.
And killing for food. Well, how many companies out there raise and kill chicken for food? Its money, not for food directly. If you kill for food, then go hunt a deer and make some food out of it.
I know what you're sayin, boobaa.
Knowledge isn't relative. Some is and some is. Knowing how to hunt and bird or fix a car is relative. Its doesn't matter. Knowing that the earth revloves around the suns is smart and not relative.
I give up. You didn't pick up what I was trying to say, but well, it is my problem because I cannot express myself understandably. And besides, this discussion leads to nowhere, even that I do not agree with OV.
You made your self clear. Your just saying that as a scape goat. Unless you don't know what you said yourself....lol...Quote:
Originally Posted by boobaa
No, I did not made myself clear, because you didnot understand me, it is seen, you only think you do. And argueing with you is like competeing with a mule.
Hey Tone! Ok so this has nothing really to do with this topic but it was on my homepage when I got online earlier.
[url]http://portal.wowway.com/news/read.php?ps=1020&id=13722646[/url]
How weird is this?
I can't see it, RoseB... when I click that it just takes me to the "home page" and asks me to switch to WOW internet.
I said 'no.'
Ugh...Ok hold on. the news may have changed.. it's about a fish with a double mouth that was caught in a Nebraska Lake!
Did this work?
[url]http://portal.wowway.com/news/read.php?ps=1020&id=13722646[/url]