I'm 21, so I'm talking about the 21-30 range. I'm sure you can get away with dating people in their early 20s...Quote:
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I'm 21, so I'm talking about the 21-30 range. I'm sure you can get away with dating people in their early 20s...Quote:
Originally Posted by v0ndutch [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
yeah, lol and you honestly think there are guys in their early 20's who are worth dating? maybe there are, but I haven't met any lol. I have friends who are dating guys in that age range, and I just feel sorry for them. only because the only thing they care about is playing pool, video games, and (hanging out with other guys) which are not fun to hang out next to.Quote:
Originally Posted by miSSleepy [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I guess it also depends where you live. there are so many clubs and places to go over here that it gets to alot of guys' heads and they start feeling this need to be fake-macho and it's sad. I guess outside of new york/new jersey guys would be alot more relaxed and down to earth.
That's what I just impliedQuote:
Originally Posted by v0ndutch [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Stuff like video games and other activities (pool, sport, etc) is just something you'll have to learn to deal with. It's not the ONLY thing they care about, but there's nothing wrong with liking certain activities. Much like girls like shopping, watching girly flicks and whatnot ... both sexes have something they enjoy doing that the other doesn't.Quote:
only because the only thing they care about is playing pool, video games, and (hanging out with other guys) which are not fun to hang out next to.
HOWEVER, if you think that a guy will EVER stop preferring to hang around his friends, you'll be very disappointed. Of course they'd like to hang out with their gf and would at times prefer that over his friends, but he's never going to ditch his friends for a gf and it's unreasonable to expect that.
no I get that. but it just seems that that's all they care about. all I ever hear is "yo dude, come over my house, I got that new game" or "what did you do last weekend? I hung out with my boys, yeah i'm so cool". I mean, this isn't really working wonders for me :upset:Quote:
Originally Posted by miSSleepy [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
maybe i'm just being picky. but then again, I really don't get any serious male attention comming my way, so I guess they feel the same way. maybe it is me, I dunno. I mean, I really am not interested in those guys, but then again, I'd also like to know what guys are interested in, for when I do meet/see that special someone.
shit girl.. you just got out of high school and it sounds like you're looking to settle down already. wtf, no wonder you can't find a decent guy that you're interested in. it's because you're not willing to give these guys a chance. yes, i'm sure that you think you're mature and what not, but why the rush??
never satisfied is what i shall call you now. being that you can't really take a joke is one thing, but wanting to date someone whose mature, yet still young in age is asking for a bit. greedy is what i tell you, greedy. i will admit that i want to date a fob japanese girl from japan and i want her to look like a damn model, but the truth of the matter is that "I" am asking for too much.
i think you should get your head straight and really consider what you want from a guy, being that you're dying to date someone.
raverboy
haha. umm, if that's what you want, you should come to the upper east side where I go to school, you'll easily find about 20-30 of them around my school. all you have to do is hang around the (ESL, Media Studies, Biochemistry, Math, or Accounting classes) and they're all there :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Illusional [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
they're all really pretty and nice, but they have alot of trouble speaking english. I don't understand why you would want to date someone you can't communicate with, but if that's what you want, that's where you'll find them.
I know i'm asking for alot, and that's most likely the reason i'm still single. but, it also has to do with the way these guys make you feel. it's hard to explain to a guy, mostly because you'll think that it's not important. but, all of the guys i've met in all my classes so far, i've herd them talking to their friends, and i've seen how they act. it's pretty clear that they're looking for a skanky hooker. I only say that because all they talk about is "man, did you see what she was wearing" or "sorry I wasn't paying attention to what the prof. was saying I was too busy looking at".
yeah, ok fine. I know that's how guys are at that age, but it hurts, and for alot of reasons. mostly because it makes you feel that they just want someone who dresses up (rather, down) to show off the most skin possible. during the winter time, it's just impracticle for me to even do that, plus I feel unformortable walking around wearing the things some of these girls do. and that being said, you get zero attention from guys unless you dress flashy, it's sad. but it starts to get to you after a couple of weeks. I mean, you start to question yourself. and it's strange, because even if a guy walks by that you're not even the slightest bit interested in, but they don't find you attractive either, you ask yourself (wow, am I really that unattractive).
I guess the best way to explain it would be for you to think of a really fat and ugly girl walking by, and giving you this look like you're the most disgusting thing she's ever seen. you're clearly not interested in her, but it sort of bothers you that she's not interested in you either. I hope that makes sense :upset:
I was totally kidding about the goldfish thing. I think men, like women, are entirely individual. Some get bored easily, others are interested in refining the same move until it's perfect. I guess I should have included a disclaimer about humorous commentary being not necessarily reflective of my real opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by v0ndutch [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
quit cock fighting, people. mehe.. sorry, that was lame.
anyway, i'm still a bit confused, scorp. Feel free to insult my reading abilities.
I do think that there's a tendency to think that women are really complicated, and men are really simple, in terms of sexual pleasure. Ie, penis up equals guaranteed pleasure. Touch penis at any time = pleasure. yet, touch the clit at any time? god no, that only works with the right timing, you idiot (not you).
so yes, it makes sense that neither gender is completely straight-forward when it comes to arousal.
But, I don't get it. So, the two mistakes women make are: touching the penis, and not touching the penis. I must be missing something because that's a really obvious contradiction! Do you want the damn thing touched or not?
in three months of regular sex, i don't think me and my bf ever had sex without me giving him manual/oral sex first. I don't think he'd have been ready for the actual intercourse otherwise.
please clarify.
V, its the atmosphere youre also in. Youre in school and most guys at that age are happy just hanging around and being young yet. Theyre not ready to settle down. You dont want to be with someone whose 10 yrs older who IS wanting to settle down so you have to then look to your age bracket and go places where guys are more settled. Look to the coffee houses etc or the libraries. Sounds lame, but youre not going to find someone in your age bracket at the bars and find someone you want to date. You need to expand your horizons.
As for the whole male thingy, geezuz guess I feel pretty lucky, my husband is 36 and comes to me WITH a hardon! I havent done anything yet! Dont get me wrong there are times where I have to get him warmed up. No biggy though!
Its funny though because I do have to agree with Giga, most men in certain age brackets have 3 needs, food, sex and sleep. I dont think its a bad thing, but most men Ive talked to or dated in 18 yrs yep they've all said those are things that keep them going on a daily basis!
It was another jokeQuote:
Originally Posted by v0ndutch [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I used to feel like this too, actually, when I was 13-17. It feels like you can't measure up to what these guys want, and whatsmore, it feels like what these guys want is so trivial and superficial that it all feels so futile. I think i wasted those years feeling bitter and resenting the girls who did get their attention, but also hating these girls for being superficial and getting the man - like, where was the justice!? :DQuote:
I know i'm asking for alot, and that's most likely the reason i'm still single. but, it also has to do with the way these guys make you feel. it's hard to explain to a guy, mostly because you'll think that it's not important. but, all of the guys i've met in all my classes so far, i've herd them talking to their friends, and i've seen how they act. it's pretty clear that they're looking for a skanky hooker. I only say that because all they talk about is "man, did you see what she was wearing" or "sorry I wasn't paying attention to what the prof. was saying I was too busy looking at".
But I hear women talking and objectifying men as well. I hear them going on about their weekends and the latest pair of pants, and that sounded pretty much along the lines of what these guys were talking about. You're just discriminating between the two because one interests you and one doesn't. You say guys are boring to hang out with, yet how will you get a guy with that attitude?
you don't have to wear skimpy clothes to get their attention, you just have to wear something that flatters YOU and looks good on you. You can still show your figure and not bare much skin.Quote:
yeah, ok fine. I know that's how guys are at that age, but it hurts, and for alot of reasons. mostly because it makes you feel that they just want someone who dresses up (rather, down) to show off the most skin possible. during the winter time, it's just impracticle for me to even do that, plus I feel unformortable walking around wearing the things some of these girls do. and that being said, you get zero attention from guys unless you dress flashy, it's sad. but it starts to get to you after a couple of weeks. I mean, you start to question yourself. and it's strange, because even if a guy walks by that you're not even the slightest bit interested in, but they don't find you attractive either, you ask yourself (wow, am I really that unattractive).
ahh... the power women hold over men.. it just makes me sad..Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiay [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
yes yes.. i'm breaking my promise to say goodbye to this thread, only because Tiay is confused..
well... first off, you're not reading (into) what I said; which is fine if you were a guy, perfectly understandable; but you're a woman.. so try to follow the subtle nuances..
now.. i'm not talking about the act of sex.. i'm talking about male foreplay.. confused? well.. just like female foreplay doesn't constitute sex, the same goes for male foreplay.. which doesn't constitute sex..
there's good news!!! male foreplay should really only last 2-3mins to make sex more enjoyable for the guy.. can sex go on without male foreplay?? YES.. in fact most women don't properly preform male foreplay just before sex, and guys have only know one kind of sex.. "that same old sex".. that being said.. sex can go on without female foreplay.. smack on some lube and go.. but is that enjoyable? not really.. see where i'm getting? (it's about male foreplay, which is BEFORE sex)
so.. there are women who are now going to read this and think.. (ok, so how to I make sex better for him?).. the answer.. let his penis simply touch the parts of you that he finds visually arousing.. it's that simple.. that's all there is to it.. that should last around 2-3mins, and take place just before you're ready to start having sex..
so.. what should you NOT DO??
1. Stroke the penis (manual sex = handjobs) prior to you starting sex.. why? well, because ejaculation happens when the shaft of the penis crosses a certain threashold, namely, a stroke threashold.. this normally occurs within the vagina, but the hand can induce the same effect.. so adding to the stroke count is NOT a good idea, and does NOT constitute foreplay (which is there to build up more arousal & tension).. if you add to the stroke count; you will only decrease the time it takes him to ejaculate, and may actually reduce the pleasure he gets from any potential orgasm (since your hand may have a tighter grip on his thing than your vagina)
2. Leave the penis alone and engage in female foreplay activities such as stoking his back, his neck, touching his hands, etc.. He's a man, not a woman; not only is this ineffective, but if you both think enough about what you're doing, it's even insulting..
So, do these two common mistakes contradict?? no!! in case 1, you should not STROKE the penis (instead you should let it touch or rub against the parts of you he finds visually arousing).. in case 2, you should not NEGLECT the penis (instead you should let it touch or rub against the parts of you he finds visually arousing).. the two don't even come into conflict with eachother..
So, to clarify once more.. not STROKING the penis does NOT mean LEAVE THE PENIS ALONE.. it simply means.. DON'T STROKE IT AS A MEANS OF FOREPLAY!!! not NEGLECTING the penis does NOT mean STROKE THE PENIS.. it simply means.. let it touch/rub against whatever turns him on, but DON'T STROKE IT!!!
Then, when those LONG, NEVERENDING, AGONY-FILLED 2-3mins are done (which will be after your good 1 hour + of female foreplay).. you can proceed to having sex..
For women that don't even believe in the concept of male foreplay and don't think those 2-3mins are important.. try it a couple of times.. and notice the before & after.. notice the reaction he has..
For guys.. if your not buying it.. just consider that this art was so heavily studied in China, Japan & India, just so that the male could FULLY enjoy sex.. (in China to balance energy, in India to achieve superior powers & attain immortality, and in Japan just to feel good.. the japanese knew what they were doing).. But you'll actually feel a HUGE difference.. it's day & night.. there will almost NEVER be a time where you get that "sh*tty/crappy" ejaculation that doesn't really feel like anything special or amazing.. (which btw, happens because you haven't orgasmed.. in case you didn't know.. ejaculation can still occur..).. But I don't think most guys have trouble orgasming.. but in case you do.. this will definitely help get rid of that issue.. AND make sex itself (not considering the orgasm, just the act of sex) much more enjoyable..
I would really like to hear what THE MEN here have to say to Scorp's expertise (even though he claims to be speaking for himself yet never fails to encompass the whole male population).
Really...guys...heelloooo....?
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Originally Posted by miSSleepy [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
well, that'll only happen by guys with over 1000 posts who are mostly just here to post funny comments.. which is ok..
but i'll tell you this.. most guys.. aren't even in touch with how they feel and the minor details of their sexual pleasures..
secondly.. most guys don't care to read about things in the female section..
and lastly.. have you ever noticed how less guys respond to long posts? lol
Id be interested in hearing from the guys as well. Because in the years of experiene Ive had, wont admit to, EVERY MALE WANTED to be stroked with hand or mouth and enjoyed every minute of it and at times wanted it longer than the 2 minute warning. I dont think I agree with the concept of dont stroke my dick it makes intercourse less enjoyable.
EVERY man Ive been with has been extremely open to what they want or expect. Its not just about the stroking, but you have to add in other things true. But again, EVERY man Ive been with, didnt particularly want me kissing their neck. They wanted direct action.
I have to say Gk Im somewhat confused on your take also. How can every guy Ive been with be wrong? Ive taken almost every man Ive been with to an orgasm through oral sex, of course then I had to wait for him for a bit, but it surely didnt effect his pumping later on.
Yeah I've noticed thatQuote:
Originally Posted by GrkScorp [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
men ............. pffffffffffft
I'm just hoping someone just as in touch as you are will show up and comment
well.. you don't even really need to wait.. if you have any close male friend who you think give very detailed and well-analyzed layouts of their feelings.. then have them sit down with you and read this.. and ask them how they feel..Quote:
Originally Posted by miSSleepy [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
OK, I'll ask my bf - he's usually very detailed and we have extended conversations about debatable matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrkScorp [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
but, as I said, I have plenty of male friends and I interact better with males and more often. I have 2 female friends. So my main qualm with your analysis is because during my exposure to mainly males I have never come accross one who falls into your description... the general gist and parts of your description, sure, not arguing that, but the whole idea of the foreplay and what men find to be the most sexually stimulating ... it's very true for you I take it and I'm not arguing that, but in my experience not all guys are like that. True, I'm 21, but Squirrely isn't.
vondutches.... first, i'm all for trying new things. secondly, i have family in japan and i can converse minimally. dating someone that doesn't really speak english very well only leaves room for improvement right?? you have to look on the bright side of things and stop being so negative.
secondly.. you bring this little "boyish" ways to yourself. YOU yourself want all this attention, yet you want to be different from the other girls, you want to stand out without being caught up dressing like a hoe. well i'll tell you this, you're interesting in the wrong category of people. maybe if you started looking in other places besides college and especially all your freshman classes, then you'd find someone who doesn't only get attracted by skin.
you said that you might think that you're a boring ass person and maybe you are. i have no idea who you are or how your personality is. but what i do know is that if you're always looking at things so one-sidely then you're never going to end up with anyone, nor be happy with your life. plain and simple.
raverboy
Okay, I can't help being a smartass. I just have to pipe up with the fact that my boyfriend thinks I have pretty eyes, and I just imagined poking myself in the eye with his dick as a means of engaging in male foreplay.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrkScorp [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Baaahahaha!
Anyway, he finds it arousing if I handle his shoulders or his ass. Maybe because he knows it's turning me on, maybe because it feels good, but he definitely enjoys the fondling.
Do you have a twin sister, Giga? I think I'm in love with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by sine24 [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
No, but I have an aunt in her 50's.....
Heh heh. Boy Toy.
aw (:Quote:
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(I take offence to that.)Quote:
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ok, there's no confusion on that part.Quote:
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*taking notes* .. aha, the foreplay goes before sex.. oh shit, we've been doing it the other way around. gosh I'm such a bimbo.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrkScorp [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
sorry, it had to be done ^.^ However, I do see your point; women demand they get their foreplay or sex isn't enjoyable, yet you're saying men aren't often getting theirs, yet still go through with the sex anyways.
oh, okay! we've actually done that, not a whole lot though. I'll certainly try that more next time.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrkScorp [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
so, if I understand correctly, you're saying don't stroke the penis, but do touch it, or rather, let it rub you. Right; thanks, now I understand why those points don't contradict. Dude, you could've said that in less than 300 words.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrkScorp [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I understand you feel strongly about this- but as far as I can tell, no one, and certainly not me, has said "no, giving men the 3 minutes of foreplay they absolutely need to enjoy sex is too much effort for us women", in fact I was trying to figure out *how* to do what you were saying. Don't bite my head off please.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrkScorp [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I don't believe in the concept of male foreplay; to me it's all foreplay, and some activities are obviously enjoyed by one gender more than the other, and those should be balanced, otherwise neither will be happy. I'll definitely try it, I'm curious now... I've actually been thinking about starting a thread on similar stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrkScorp [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
First of all, i'm sorry.. very very sorry.. a legal education will not exactly work wonders on your humor.. I can recall that I used to be a very funny guy, but since then i've been corrupted by old cranky professors who will not put up with any slight implication of anything humorous..Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiay [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Secondly, i'm sorry again : *(
why do you think lawyers get paid so much..?? no seriously.. it's because when you ask them to type up something for you.. they charge you by the page or by the words.. and what can be expressed in just a couple of sentenses (sometimes even just one!) is often extended to many long pages, and before you know it; your Will now runs you up a bill of $800.. unfortunately, it's called Lawyering (1 & 2).. and you have to take it during your first year.. and I got A's in both semesters.. so please try me.. and I can go on forever..
Lastly, i'm glad you don't share that view.. but the fact of the matter is.. i'm now single.. and of the many reasons for that.. this has its place on the list... i'm still friends with my ex, she's an amazing person, and always will be.. and I hope we can still stay friends.. but being more than friends was a mistake.. that took me quite a while to realize..
Why anyone would want to become a lawyer except to bomb a few law libraries is beyond me.
Sorry GS, but a major problem w/your profession is the inability to be succinct. Dare to be different.
hey, let's not kid ourselves.. there is no profession out there with more low-lives than the legal profession.. to really get the bigger picture you have to consider that there are rules to how you should argue against your opposing counterpart in court.. but half of that same class which basically teaches you about courtroom ethics.. teaches you how to perfect "playing dirty"..Quote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
then again.. i'm not into that kind of lawyering.. at the end of the day.. i'll be more an accountant than an attorney; because Taxation & Securities Regulation doesn't really put you in conflict with some other party.. unless you consider the IRS & the SEC some other party.. then yes.. but it's stress-free work.. sort of..
anyway.. please.. i'm only in it to retire at age 40.. I plan on purchasing a building every 2-3 years while i'm working (2-family w/store).. Finance the rest, and have each one pay itself off slowly.. but that's of course a topic for a different thread..
whoah..what's everyone talking about? haha haven't been to this thread in ages..it sure has changed LoL!
male foreplay should only last 2-3 minutes?! Mate why don't do everyone a favour and just shut your pie hole, eh? Instead of trying to fill these girls' heads with rubbish.
And spare me a five paragraph response further expounding your ridiculous theory. I won't read it.
Finally, someone speaks sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Boy II [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Ladies, do not take this guy's absolutes as fact.
awww, I forgive you. *hugs Scorp*.
speaking of words, will you write my essay for me..? then again, 2500 words might run up a bit of a bill.
hey, I'm not- something as subjective as sexual pleasure doesn't has almost no solid facts, imo. But there is something to be said for opinions and experiences and such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gribble [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
It kind of rings a bell with me because my bf has done that a few times.. I just never kept it going or thought much of it.
man do we still have a lot of exploring to do...
Well, perhaps you have a point.. but that all depends.. how old are you Charlie Boy? because there is an age where ANY sex is GOOD sex.. and i'm way out of that phase, and I would take it alot of other guys are too..Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Boy II [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
yes, when sex is rare, or when you are new, or when you have not YET had enough partners, any sex seems like good sex.. but as father time kicks in.. you start to realize that the same ordinary sex you thought was amazing before, sucks now..
hence, the multi-billion dollar industry of books & videos & seminars & couciling for couples to help them with their sex lives..
but again.. I'm not going to waste my time going deeper into it.. do what you will with what I gave you.. if you think it's rubbish.. that's ok.. if you choose to follow it.. that's alright too.. it's all up to you.. i'm not trying to force it down your throat... you'll live, you'll learn..
Baaaahahaha! Charlie Boy is having the same old, ordinary sex, and not enough of it, at that!
Yeah, right.
Grk, Charlie Boy has a sex life about as good as mine. It ****ing rocks. He clearly gets enough sex that he doesn't pop one off after getting stroked four times.
I always thought male foreplay was about 90 - 120 minutes....
About the length of the average Bond, Terminator or Die Hard flick & 3 beers. ;)
Nah. That was back in the good old days. Now a man's idea of foreplay is watching Queer Eye while holding his girlfriend's hand and sipping a Zima.Quote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I believe he is also AT LEAST as old as GrkScrp, if not a little older.Quote:
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(sigh) Where have all the Real Men gone...?Quote:
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Here you go:
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damn i haven't got the slightest clue who this actor is, however, by the picture.. i'm sure he's pretty old by now. what decade is he from?? the 50's??
raverboy
more like the 60s and 70s... It's Paul Newman, silly. Haven't you seen Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid? Or maybe Cool Hand Luke? (Yeah, he's an old man now.)
haha what's happened to everyone's top 5 tips?
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Note the beer, stubble and manly pout. Real Men aren't afraid of bright colour either.