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[ame="http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=s7b2oCYgfik"]YouTube - Chris Rock - Black People[/ame]
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Hasn't happen to me, but I'm not surprised. I've been shopping at some of those asian strip malls (not Rmd centre) and man, its weird being the only caucasian person in some of those places. I love going tho, b/c where else but an asian mall can you find a musical water fountain timed to lights, lol. Good deals, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluesummer [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Of course, now I'm learning Mandarin it will be even more fun, lol.
It boils down to the old: don't worry about what you can't change.
There will always be someone who will dislike you for being white/black/rich/poor/clever/stupid/man/woman.
Lots of ppl just like to bitch about things, and I mean that generally. EVERYONE has a sob story, just stand in a grocery checkout line long enough & look interested and you'll hear them. Most of the time its someone elses fault.
If *Obama* blows it, I predict he will NEVER claim its b/c he was black & discriminated against. He will take personal responsibility and try harder/be smarter the next time.
TooCool - I don't believe your statistics are correct, unless they are referring to a specific precinct. I read that Obama took about half of the white vote. Maybe you can post a link?
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Originally Posted by doppelgaenger [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I'm sorry, they have just as much of a choice as anyone else. My aunt is native, and she's a well educated playwright and author. I have a friend who put herself through accounting programs to get off the reserve. They had a choice and they took it.
I liked the video Lipp posted, because although it's funny, it's TRUE of every race/culture in the world. There's always the whiny ignorant bunch that spoil it for the ones that are out doing well for themselves and representing their community well.
Oh, and hey Indi - I give you kudos for learning Mandarin. I've always wanted to learn, but it looks very intimidating. I learned Punjabi instead.....slightly easier.
I learned Spanish and Italian, but Portuguese wouldn't be so bad because of Brazil. My friend told me people in Brazil are born into thongs
But yes, racism will always exist. And is still VERY strongly exists. In high school a lot of kids hated Italians and regularly told me how much they hate us greasy wops. It never really bothered me because I knew how dumb it was, although I did explode *one* day. My dad from Italy thought their Italian hating was pretty funny
So all this aside, maybe we should stop wondering if Obama was voted in because of the black population. The black population is not big enough to vote in a president on it's own, so obviously people of different backgrounds were supporting him too. I never gave a shit that he was black in the first place, I'm just happy he's not Republican and that Bush is finally done. I also found him incredibly well spoken and clearly intelligent, unlike the guy who's been running the show for the last eight years. I guess that's what I find so amazing about all this.....how people are so focused on the fact that he's black. How about the fact that he's got great qualities deserving of a presidency.
Speaking skills are no indication of intelligence
Did I say he was intelligent BECAUSE of how he spoke? No.
You didn't directly say that but you probably inferred a lot about his intelligence from the way he talks just like a lot of people do in general. Even in your description of him being well spoken and intelligent the two went side by side like they usually do
You're wrong; a lot of Native Americans DON'T have a choice; while reservations are not densely populated, and poverty exists throughout, they are stuck with the school closest to their area. Native American schools in this region are much worse off than regular schools. In fact, one of the NA schools in my home area was one of the top 10 worst high schools to go to in the entire United States, when I was in high school. My stepfather is the principal of these schools (who is trying to clean the shit up), and I have worked on NA school campuses, and seen first-hand what it's like.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluesummer [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
A lot of it is because children are not raised properly, and when they go to school, they turn into rebellious students, who eventually drop out and join gangs and all this stupid shit. They start doing drugs and all this other stuff, and the parents don't try to discipline their kids; in fact some of them will 'toke it up' with their own kids. It's ****ing sad, and I've watched it happen, with nothing to do except hope for maybe the government to come in and help clean it up.
Ultimately, yes it depends on the person's choices, but you can only work with the materials at hand. It's kinda hard to make something of yourself when your parents are total crap, your teachers don't give a **** about you, and the government hasn't cared enough to fix this problem, because yes it's a ****ing problem.
Haven't you seen the old commercial? "It may not be fair, but society judges you by the way you speak. Buy our comprehensive vocabulary program so you don't sound like a ****ing douche." Maybe the pitch wasn't quite like that.Quote:
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How is the government going to 'clean it up'? I don't know how it works in the USA, but in Canada, these reserves get ****ing MILLIONS of dollars each year (which sadly are quite often are inappropriately handled by the chiefs or elders). Their housing is free. Their power is free. The get subsidies for everything......and free university. So the government is giving them all this stuff, and they're doing nothing with it. If I had free university, I'd be all over it. In fact, I know for a FACT that the kids here get $20k when they turn 18....a one-time subsidy from the government (the area I live in is bordered by reserves on all sides). What do they do with it? My best friend at the bank has had the kids come in and tell her they bought custom-made 'bling' with it. Or pot. Or other useless shit.
The teachers in the native schools are quite often native....they're given preference upon graduating with their education degree. You think they'd want to try and better their own community, but the level of education in these communities is still the lowest in the country. These people just don't TRY to help thmeselves. The few that make something of themselves either take advantage of their own communities or just aren't willing to give back and help raise the community up to a higher standard. The government can't do this for them. They have to want to help themselves, and for most of them, it's just too much work. It's easier to keep on the way they've been going.
Throwing money in someone's face doesn't solve their problems. And that's the exact criticism I have of the government; their knee-slapping way of handling the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluesummer [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
NA teachers have to teach NA students, because anyone who comes from outside the community doesn't understand that NAs need to be taught differently (because of the way they are raised). So they get all excited about lesson plans and stuff, only to find out how hard it is to get students to cooperate, or even just to come to class. Not only this, but you have the teachers who just stop trying altogether because they feel hopeless that their teachings bear no fruits, and then the students who do have a chance don't get the education they need. Very few people make it through that system and end up aiming for higher education.
People like my persistent stepdad are the kind of people they need running those things. He's really cleaned up the school he's been working at for only 2 years. He used to be the dean of a NA college, but it shut down because of this problem. It's not as good as it could be, but it's getting there.
And you know, this is where I disagree with you. I think government should be held more responsible for those problems. I mean, I think they should be giving help with how the money should be spent. This is where socialism is needed; to fix leaky homes and give decent homes to people who don't even have one. One of my parents' best friends has a 7 year old boy, and they don't even have running ****in' water. That's a disgrace to humanity to let things like that happen. I mean, do you just let the drunkard drink himself to death, or do you get him to go through rehab to help him get back on the right path? Or do you just throw money at him and expect him to change on his own.
You're a smoker. How hard is it for you to quit YOUR habits, bluesummer? Well the habits that have formed in NA societies to day are much more rampant and harder to get rid of. And nobody really gives a **** about NAs because they don't know what's going on over on the other side of the river. They are people too and throughout the history of America, 'Americans' have ****ed them over, and that is why things are the way they are today.
Another example: how are you going to get ahold of your insecurities without the help of a counselor? It would take a long ****in' time wouldn't it? Well that's the epitome of what I am talking about here.
I hate it when they complain about everything and blame it on the fact that they are black. They will do that forever. Some of those dumb mother****ers still seem to think that they were slaves. They were not slaves, their ancestors were slaves...there is a huge freaking difference.
Neither are math skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoesntMatter [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Some people do use racism as an excuse to get away with bullshit, OV. But like it or not, many minorities feel as though they are being oppressed, and they still are in quite a few places. Even in places like Germany, Turks are treated the same way. Minorities are always stereotyped by the general reputation, i.e. since many black people are poor, that means they are all lying stealing sons of bitches. That's not true, but there are so many people who judge that way, and it's sad to say that "this great nation" does such things. I mean, since they have been oppressed a lot in the past, and a little less nowadays, they are kind of like a child refugee who has lived on a warfront; they flinch at any resemblance of violence, etc.
Just the way it is folks.
That is weird, I think the rich are the damn thieves lol. I understand about the oppression but if you look here in the USA, other than words there is no oppression. They get jobs just as easily now and can finish school if they have the time and brains for it.Quote:
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Keep thinking that if it makes you feel betterQuote:
Originally Posted by Only-virgins [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Sure will, the truth always makes me feel better. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DoesntMatter [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
That's because historically caucasians have not endured the same suffering and prejudices that other races, specifically blacks, have had to endure.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluesummer [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
So when you are prejudiced against it's a lot easier for you to "not let it get to you". For god's sake how long did white's tell these people they were less than a human being just because of the color of their skin. People tend to forget 1960 wasn't that long ago.
You taste but a TINY fraction of what others have had to go through. I usually don't get involved in these because their is no arguing with ignorance (see t00lc00l) gets you no where. I just found it quite humorous a white woman being the voice here of how to handle racism.
Again, what a stupid ****ing thread this is.
well actually i found it quite irritating when i was in the states and we irish were oppressed by the english for a lot longer than black/mixed race people were in the states; but does that give me the right to look down on the english? NOQuote:
Originally Posted by Zilla80 [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
no-one should be allowed to look down their nose at anyone for any silly reason like history.
I agree with most of what you say, but I have to point out that Jewish people (white or other) have been discriminated against for 2000 years. White people certainly CAN be discriminated against, and obviously to at least as great an extent as black people or any other ethnicity. Hate knows no boundaries.Quote:
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You are a fool.
There is a world outside of the United States.
And even so, every ethnicity that has come into our ports have gotten their share of discrimination.
You find it humorous a white woman was discriminated against? Then you are blind, because I've spoken to several blacks, with African ancestry to Mardis Gras Indians, who have stated that they either are, or used to be very prejudiced towards white people.
"Back then, I would've hated you just because you were white."
"But I'm only half white."
"It wouldn't matter."
Seriously, in this day and age, who hasn't felt the sting of prejudice?
I'm doing it b/c I enjoy languages but mostly to keep my son company. He's enrolling in a Sat am school later this year. Its more for his benefit & I plan to help him study.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluesummer [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Its funny how Chinese ppl think its weird tho they don't mind their kids learning engrish. ;)
Well, that's a silly comment^ Zilla. Who cares where good advice comes from? Sense is sense, no matter the source.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zilla80 [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
You young ones don't seem to understand the dynamics of oppression. ALL repressed groups, historically, required more enlightened elements of the oppressing group to help them in order to gain their freedom. That is not a justification for the repression, just a statement of fact about how progress is made in these areas.
Or do american blacks deny that without white ppl they wouldn't have gained their freedom either? Certainly women required the help of men in power to gain their rights. Circumstance also plays a role, as does the role of individuals increasing awareness through protest.
A more recent example: gay ppl will NOT be granted their right to marry without the help of the majority, straight liberal population who believe they have a case.
Think about it, and think about how change is actually made to happen. Obama had a lot of powerful WHITE supporters. :P
Any idea of how tough it is to learn compared to germanic languages? Given the different ways of intonation, pronouncation, grammar system, alphabet...Ugh...Quote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
But considering picking up mandarin as a uni subject next year, and if I like it I'd might keep going at it. English and mandarin would cover a whole lot of people, and then chuck in swedish for good measure and have an easier time expanding to japanese if desirable. Possibilities, possibilities :)
My family growing up spoke German, so its not really a good comparison for me (LW, forget it, I don't remember anything anymore except hello/goodbye and things relating to xmas). I think Mandarin is a lot harder, it contains various intonations in addition to the words.
Japanese is a lot easier, IMO. I don't really speak it, but I know enough to get me by and I pick up those phrases a lot faster than Mandarin.
But it does stretch ones brain & I think it would be a good asset for several careers, so take it if you have the chance.
Yeah, think Ill go for it, so few other breadth (choice of a single subject that has to be outside of your major) subjects that interest me.
I just hope it doesn't turn out like any of my other language studies that got wrecked from moving around - french for a year lost, then german for two years lost.
I would think that your travelling would provide a unique opportunity to practice? You must have the chance to interact w/lots of officials or their staff from other cultures? Esp now you are older?
Swahili and sinhala aren't the easiest to pick up on, unfortunately, and rarely long enough of a stay to learn it properly so focused on english instead, which was the language of instruction. It's coming close to beating my swedish by now. ;)
But there are loads of asians here in melbourne who are fun to hang out with (turned out that aussies don't appeal to me much) so at least I have people around to speak to and a chance to open up a few more options to move on in the future - maybe Singapore or something for a master's degree, unless I find someone here who's worth staying for.
Obama lost the white vote to Republican John McCain by 12 percentage points, according to exit polls of voters — a better showing than Democrat John Kerry's 17-point deficit with whites four years ago. [url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081108/ap_on_el_pr/mutts_like_me[/url]Quote:
Originally Posted by To0C0oL [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
As for the majority of black people voting for a black person. This is a historic event, yes, but Obama is a qualified black person. Were you expecting a 95% for McCain and 5% for Obama? Similar results would have happened for a female if she had qualities that many felt are needed for president at this time of crisis.
i still don't like white people.
The reason this is historic is because he is black, but why are we still on that? I mean it's great that he's black, but do we really need to be on this topic all the time? What about what he can do for our country? Believe me or not, if he was black and wasnt gonna do shit for our country other than **** it up like George Bush, I would've hoped he didnt make it in, seriously. So for me, it's not about him being black. I kinda wish he didnt win because I honestly dont think this man is going to live. Assasination, anyone? Plus, like I stated before, I really think that the slightest **** up from this man and he wont hear the end of it. I wonder if being the first black president will be worth it in the long run.
I really worry about this, too. I think it takes a great amount of courage to be the first to do something... so much public scrutiny, and so many people ready to jump on you for the slightest error in judgement.Quote:
Originally Posted by LadieNisha4u2nv [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Misombra - does your white boyfriend know you feel that way? :D
he does. he's been warned that he will be the first to die in the race wars.
hah! I bet he sleeps with one eye open!
I don't know why, but your post reminded me of Salma Hayak in that weird movie with George Clooney and Quention Tarantino... I can't remember what it was called...
From Dusk til Dawn
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Originally Posted by LadieNisha4u2nv [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Interesting. Where is hope for the USA? Have we given up for the man before he has even started? Give him a chance. There's a first everything. He already knows that people are ready to jump on him. He can handle it. Have hope for him and do your part to help the US. Change starts from within.Quote:
Originally Posted by vashti [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
well if i was an American citizen i wouldn't be too happy with the fact he is intending to appoint a man who is extremely high up in the federal reserve private bank to be in charge of the treasury----conflict....not that ther isn't one anyway with the fact the fed is private.......
Hello? I live in California. We just voted in Prop 8. We have had 8 years of a president who most consider disasterous. I have very little hope for the USA right now.Quote:
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