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That didn't answer my second question at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Unless this
is your example of biting wit.Quote:
That's because you are a minion. It is your job to resent your betters. Shrug.
Stop being an idiot, Lovejoy.
Um, lovejoy, what is YOUR motivation for attacking me just now? Was I posting to you or about you? Have I attacked you? Please find the post where this is so.Quote:
Originally Posted by lovesjoyajm [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
You could just try PMing a mod if you have an issue.
Hahaha You made me laugh for once :D Dunno why ' piece of dog shit' makes me laugh so much,but thank You :PQuote:
Originally Posted by doppelgaenger [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
This thread was interesting but now it sucks.
I always found the difference between long term memory and short term memory very interesting.
Do you think that plays a role in weight?
I don't think memory has any weigh.I think brain it's the part of human body that we will need many many years more to find out what's it all about. The same question was in the movie '21 gramms', but they were thinking about the weigh of human soul.Kind of the same issue . Nice movie tho.
I think it's a lot like a computer... empty space... like zeros and ones needing to be shifted and arranged. If Einstein was right with E=mc^2, I think that thoughts, and memory thereto *are* energy. The brain is the weight; the muscle. Everything else is the input/output.
If it did have a weight, it wouldn't be very much... I think I heard once before during a lecture, that the brain only uses approximately 2 % of its mass for memory.
Ironically, more memory, hence more energy, means a lighter brain :D
And I heard that the more brain is craggy, the more knows the owner of this brain :PQuote:
Originally Posted by doppelgaenger [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Yeah I heard that too.
But an even more philosophical question:
Does it really matter if memory has weight?
It's for those diet freaks who look for every way to lose some weight :PQuote:
Originally Posted by doppelgaenger [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Hahaha!
That's the funniest thing I read all day. Made my day :)
You welcome Dopp! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by doppelgaenger [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Ladies, ladies. Let's be civil. Kiss and make up. Don't be stingy with the tongue, either.
Hey, hey, I'm not a diet freak who's trying to lose weight!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pettit-Papillon [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I was merely interested in what others thought of the question - and it has been interesting to hear all about the brain - i'm not saying if it matters that it has weight or not either - i just wanted to know what others thought. Simple as.
And I was answering for Dopp's question not Yours ;) And why so serious huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lozenger [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
What I meant by that was you get stuck inside your mind doing repeated tasks while oblivious to everything around you. The mind blocks out the reality and makes you unaware of your surroundings. And it makes you willingly unaware, you become a person who is outside looking in and not the one interacting with your environment.Quote:
Originally Posted by lovesjoyajm [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I'm still not sure I follow. What sort of "repeated tasks" are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mishanya [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I'm a bit dense today... :upset:
*rimshots*
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Her motivation was probably the same as mine, you are incredibly grating and your superiority complex is one of the worst I have ever seen. You think you are brilliant and always, ALWAYS will belittle other people if they give you any reason to think otherwise and make every effort you can to establish yourself as the superior "intellect." You care WAY too much about it. Maybe lovesjoyajm, like me, gets IRRITATED at you for that?Quote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
For example, at work being glued to the computer screen and being unaware of your surroundings blocking out everything that doesn't have anything to do with the task at hand. I found that it's possible to both do your job and at the same time being mindful of what goes on around you.Quote:
Originally Posted by lovesjoyajm [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
LOL, DM. Don't you see the irony? *I* don't care at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoesntMatter [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
But what you are doing is showing how very much you DO care. Same for LJJ & Gott. Why so much? You choose what you respond to.
You young ones need to learn the difference b/t attacking an idea (valid) and a person (not). Gott decided to attack me personally instead of critiquing an idea. It generally doesn't work out as planned, as he found, but that's his lesson to learn. Shrug.
Anyway, thanks for answering for LJJ.
not trying to be controversial but i totally agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by DoesntMatter [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
But you don't make a big deal about it, Eco. Same as I don't about the fact you are an irritating twat. I still love you. ;)
Oh come one ppl. Give Indi a break. Indi is awesome!
I didn't follow this thread, but don't take something she might have said out of context, that context being she is a great person with a lot of meaningful and good advice.
i also agree that she gives great advice
We both care about something here. The difference is in what we care about. You care about coming off as the smartest and the most intellectual, and you attack peoples ideas and the person all the time. I also do both, that is attacking a persons ideas and the personQuote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
"Caring" isn't exactly the word for me, it's more like pissed off. You are actually a shit ton like my roommate, and we flame each other sometimes because I get pissed off when he says things so much like certain things you say. I could have been a passive observer lurking the boards for some time and would have gotten pissed off at a lot of the things you said because I happen to find them so wrong. Like even when you said Neo misunderstood something he didn't, I got pissed off
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But you DO attack the person a lot. A LOT. Just an example to come to mind with me:
In one other thread you said I was a boy playing with guns pretending to be a man and that if I had the balls of a man I would join the military. Aside from the fact that guns have use outside the military, I reminded you that I applied for and received a full ride ROTC scholarship but was later disqualified for medications I take. You then attacked me in the next post by mocking me for the medications I take and disparaging me by claiming the Army didn't take me because I was "crazy."
Your response was completely irrelevant to our argument and what we were talking about. But I had a proper response to what you said, and you came back with a personal attack. That was your response, and it didn't justify your earlier claims that I was a pussy for not being in the military. I backed myself up and you had a personal attack as your response
I'm not saying that's wrong or right, because I would have done the same if I felt like it, but don't say that you don't use personal attacks because you do all the time, although most are more subtle
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There is a place on this forum where advice is given?Quote:
Originally Posted by ecojeanne [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Military sucks and it's good You didn't go there DM :) To prove You're a real man,You can do it by showing some respect to women and kicking some women-boxers asses :) Tho I think playing with gun is crap. There is too much accidents where people die for no clue because of other people having gun... Leave it to police. But You can always play with water gun, that's fun :)
PS. gun is made to kill... not to have fun
DM, just grow up already. You know very well (along with every other regular here) there was a context to those posts you mention. You never, ever start out insulting people or their culture or beliefs, do you? You just cry when someone actually calls you on your crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoesntMatter [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
You expect b/c I am who I am that I should just let you behave like some animal? With behaviour & comments you would *never* do to my face as a student?
I've never claimed to be 'smartest or most intellectual'. I frankly don't care. Here, we could be anyone. Guesses is the best you will usually get. Its telling that title matters to YOU, tho. "Doesn't Matter" doesn't seem to be your real motive in this.
I suppose you don't see that the more you cry foul, the more obvious your insecurities become?
Anyway, bottom line is: if you don't like my post style (many do), then just ignore it. No one is forcing you to be here, or to read anything I post. But the attention you give to my posts IS rather flattering, so I'll take it in that spirit you offer. Thanks.
Shall we get back to the proper topic now?
I was not around Lovejoy to answer, but this is pretty much similar to my thoughts. People have experienced so many things in life that it is built into their minds and subconscious minds. It can be as simple as someone saying something that triggers a memory and you stop paying attention to what they are saying, and start letting your mind wander...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lozenger [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Truthfully, there is no proof that Chi DOESN'T exist. Chi meaning universal life force. Everything is is a particle, and I'm no quantum physicist, but atom make-ups seem to resemble solar systems no?Quote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Or maybe I am just a happier human being because I believe that everything is connected, and I am able to find peace that way. But what is my wrong question Indi?
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Originally Posted by Mishanya [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
People put up mental walls, they shut down from emotional pains. We all have 'em, I like Yggdrasil's idea about living without the box up around us. Live and let it all wash over you, and do not judge the circumstances around you. This is a hard thing to do, but if you can take it all in like a movie, and see different things from different perspectives you're going to see people more for who they really are instead of what you conceive them to be. Everyone is imperfect.
That's just not a valid argument, Derby. One could also say there isn't proof of teapots orbiting Pluto... are you going to argue there *might* be? Sure, but then we are back to that concept from our other thread, that there is a *chance* you might be okay stepping out in front of a speeding car. Not all ideas are created equal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollerderby [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Did you read the link from that other thread? The one about critical thinking? Chi wouldn't satisfy the criteria b/c there's no test we can think of to invalidate its existence.
Don't confuse *proof* (implying fact) with *belief*. They are apples and oranges.
You can believe it. You can believe anything you want. But when you move from belief to 'fact', that is where I would say there is a problem. Too many of these people promoting chi/energy healing/homeopathy/snake oil, want you to think they are dealing with scientific fact but they are not. That's all I am really trying to say. If this is just a fun relaxation thing for you, great. I study martial arts for exactly the same reason.Quote:
Or maybe I am just a happier human being because I believe that everything is connected, and I am able to find peace that way.
The quote I posted refers to logical fallacies, Derby. If someone can get you to make an incorrect initial assertion (chi exists) then whatever else follows will be rubbish. But how can you argue with them, when you accepted their initial (unproved) assertion?Quote:
But what is my wrong question Indi?
Perhaps you have heard of this called GIGO (garbage in, garbage out). Same thing.
What tangible, testable *proof* is there that chi exists? Supply that, and I'll gladly take back that quote about chi.
Of course. I like Yggs idea too. Ygg is talking about a flexible mind. But I very much doubt he means that you should leave rational thought on the floor of the box as you step outside it. Actually, one without the other is pretty much useless.Quote:
People put up mental walls, they shut down from emotional pains. We all have 'em, I like Yggdrasil's idea about living without the box up around us. Live and let it all wash over you, and do not judge the circumstances around you. This is a hard thing to do, but if you can take it all in like a movie, and see different things from different perspectives you're going to see people more for who they really are instead of what you conceive them to be. Everyone is imperfect.
Some of the most creative minds I know are actually very rational & rigorous in how they view the world.
Same mountain top, different paths? Maybe. But I'd really have to see a Zen monk step in front of that fast moving car to believe it. ;)
I'm not sure the point you are trying to make with this comment? How does it relate to what came before? Are you trying to say all life is circular or something? Sounds like some aikido philosophy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollerderby [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Anyway, you are referring to the classical model of the atom, I think. We now know its more complex than the old Rutherford model, with electrons orbiting around a nucleus like planets. Ygg would be better able to comment on this if you really want details.
Okay, so I was speaking mostly of hypnotherapy, which is recognized as a legitimate science for dealing with traumatic issues of my past. Going into the mind to find the memories which cause "after shocks" to the system. Probably not the scientific word, but basically dissecting experiences that cause triggers in my daily life.
I brought Chi into the conversation because the man who practices the hypnotherapy has also studied with Tibetan monks. The ideas we discussed dealt more with cellular memory of events that are stored in our DNA, not just our brains and nerve endings.
You yourself brought up "what the bleep do we know?" The part where the woman stares at herself in the mirror and condescends to herself. They show the microscopic slides of different water molecules with different thoughts projected at the water.
It is not totally inconceivable that if thoughts about oneself can affect one's health, on a physical, metal or emotional level, that thought can't affect other's thoughts too. Remember from our other post when I spoke about how communication is 90% non-verbal? If body language is the tangible, then it is possible that thought (and thus memory) are subconsciously exchanged. Mayhaps just on an innate caveman-like level where it is a product of evolution, and mayhaps it is something more. I'm just philosophizing.
As far as Chi and all that metaphysical stuff goes, I never actually stated it as a fact. In fact, I know that many scientists will call it bullshit. But did you know, that there are now nurses getting licensed in Reiki and the healing touch to use on patients? Maybe it's just a form of meditation, a different way of hypnotizing someone into feeling better. But there is quite a lot that we don't know about the universe. And Chi, or a universal life force may not be something one would teach in public schools, but there is an interesting energy exchange that happens when two living beings come close to each other. If you are around someone who talks too much, you walk away feeling drained, or when someone is needy or clingy you want to pull away. Versus someone who is cheerful and smiles, you want to be around. It's like how babies will die if you don't pick them up and hold them. Just the process of feeding them isn't enough, empathy is required too, it's part of our evolutionary make-up. Why? Maybe someone who is more empathetic makes a better doctor versus one who has poor bed-side manner. Why is laughter the best medicine? Positive stoner vibes man.
When I bring up atoms, versus solar systems, I am saying that we haven't seen the smallest of the small, it is infinite as far as we know. When I bring up solar systems, I am saying that we can only see so deep. But I think it's amazing that particles in our bodies resemble deep space.
The point of this thread originally was to discuss if memories have weight. We don't even know what makes up a memory, how the sensory input into each particle of our bodies affects our minds. I just took it a step further and included the soul in my part of the discussion. If you want to debate about soul and life source versus non-soul and non- life source, make a new thread.
I brought it up as an example of how poorly done 'science' can confuse people. The folks in that film were mostly quacks but people see that film and believe it. Its a Disney film, from the bringers of Make Believe. What the bleep do you expect?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollerderby [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Okay, its a nice idea. But is it science? But when you start using words like *evolution* (which IS a scientific term), this is where the water starts to be muddied. As I showed before, deconstructionists like to use science words for non-scientific ideas. Confusing to most, except for a scientist who knows better. And those blessed with good BS detectors.Quote:
Mayhaps just on an innate caveman-like level where it is a product of evolution, and mayhaps it is something more. I'm just philosophizing.
Of course I know this. I know folks spending four years of their life become homeopaths, which is basically diluting something beyond avogadros number & then claiming the water has somehow been 'changed' by this process. :PQuote:
As far as Chi and all that metaphysical stuff goes, I never actually stated it as a fact. In fact, I know that many scientists will call it bullshit. But did you know, that there are now nurses getting licensed in Reiki and the healing touch to use on patients?
That's not to say that these things don't have benefit to the recipient. I actually think they do. But its all placebo effect. Because the patient *believes* it will help them.
Fine. I just don't understand how that comment was related to your point. I don't think it is, but it is cool. We are all stardust. Yep.Quote:
When I bring up atoms, versus solar systems, I am saying that we haven't seen the smallest of the small, it is infinite as far as we know. When I bring up solar systems, I am saying that we can only see so deep. But I think it's amazing that particles in our bodies resemble deep space.
I never brought up soul, life force, etc. You did (chi). FWIW, some of the neurotransmitters involved in memory are known. Its not a complete black box. NMDA receptors, oxytocin, behaviour of brain cells. People who study things like Alzheimers disease & dementia are very interested in these molecules.Quote:
The point of this thread originally was to discuss if memories have weight. We don't even know what makes up a memory, how the sensory input into each particle of our bodies affects our minds. I just took it a step further and included the soul in my part of the discussion. If you want to debate about soul and life source versus non-soul and non- life source, make a new thread.
You haven't read that critical thinking link, I can tell. Why not? Its not like you have anything to lose, its just information. It will help you develop those creative thoughts of yours even more, I think. You really should. Night Derby. ;)
One of the only legitimate scientists interviewed in 'What the Bleep' and his comments about the film:
[url]http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2004-10/cult-science[/url]
All the context there was or that you needed to know for that ROTC thread was right here in this thread. You can't say there was "more context" as a cheap excuse to get out of it because there wasn't any more context to legitimize itQuote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Made up. What crap is this that you talk about? I get pissed when I see bullshit whether or not it involves me, like when you blamed Neo for misunderstanding something he didn't, and recently with Gottfried and lovesjoyQuote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I've never had a professor who was a fraction as irritating as youQuote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
What bullshit. You have SO many times dismissed other people simply by claiming you are superior to them, even using the word superior to describe yourself to them. Instead of telling them why they are wrong or responding to their argumentQuote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
And I can think of tons of times you needlessly belittled people to assert your superiority
lol, you've said so many times you don't care about coming off as the smartest or what other people have to say on this forum, but look at the length of your responses. This road goes both ways, you can't argue somebody just as forcefully as they are and then accuse only THEM of being the only person with some kind of commitment to respondQuote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
This has nothing to do with insecurities, although saying so will make you look better. This has to do with a huge annoyance with your attitude towards things and regards for othersQuote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
In some other thread, where a guy copy and pasted a response for what the only solution to x*2 = 2*x was, you praised his brilliance and in the process belittled me probably 3 or 4 times and claimed THERE I was being insecure for claiming his solution was bullshit. And at the SAME TIME you claimed to understand the solution. Gee, the actual question turns out to be COMPLETELY FUCCKING DIFFERENT, x^2 = 2^x. How you weren't able to realize that his response was bullshit is a mystery to me
I guess arguing for the right answer constitutes insecurities?
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Originally Posted by Gribble [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I agree. You are so boring, DM. Gribble completely owned you in that other thread & all you could was cry about 'other definitions'. LOL. Post something about the thread topic or GTFO.
I think you have the wrong quote. But besides, you should maybe travel back in time and tell yourself that very same thing for your last 10 posts in this threadQuote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]