ygg really reminds me of Lite, only Lite has always used his own words to get his point across.
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ygg really reminds me of Lite, only Lite has always used his own words to get his point across.
I don't know Lite, but I know that if I would still be 18 or so I probably would enjoy this more than now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonrisa [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I guess with age you become a tad more serious and I seriously can't bring myself to the point where I am going to call someone names or talk down to someone or so.. I think I outgrew that stage a long time ago.
So I am just going to continue trying to give as good as possible constructive advice as where I think it's needed and if you can't handle that or disagree with it.. no sweat of my ass. Feel free to agree to disagree.
You my darling, need to learn the difference between these symbols:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gottfried [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
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or I will be calling you sweetheart till you catch on.
I concur. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by nomas [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I agree with Vash. Everything else has pretty much been said already.
Counselling is of limited value, in my experience. Its good for those who need some accountability for progress & goal setting, or perhaps a neutral forum (for couples) but that's about it. Otherwise, its nothing but info some wise & experienced friends or family can give. I would encourage cultivating those types of relationships above relying on counsellors.
The PhDs & other letters behind the name were not a selling feature for us, as we know exactly what value the degree(s) have.
Honestly, I've gotten as good or better advice from a select few individuals currently posting here that I would have preferred writing the cheques to. Or at least bought them beer. Which I will do, when I get the chance.
Oh.. that explains... US right?Quote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Nope not American. Sorry Ygg, not meant literally. All our costs in that regard are covered by the uni.
Our healthcare system is free (well, sorta).. it's paid by taxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I noticed this on here just the other day. I made a thread about this girl who recently died 6 hours after her graduation and after thinking it through with had it been me and how this affects the driver and her family and how ****ed up it was it settled in and I cried.Quote:
Originally Posted by vashti [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
So here comes this retard suggesting counseling(might I add the spelling was horrible)just because I cried and didnt know the girl.
It couldn't be that serious.
my parents put me in counseling as a teenager. it was so stupid. the lady would sit there and listen to me talk about how depressed i was that my father was only around to offer counseling and my mother was a cold, mean person with no soul. she would write down her notes and send me home. it had absolutely no benefit at all, except to keep me out of my parents hair for an hour a week.
UK then? Not Canadian, b/c here we still have to pay for those types of services, unless you have a good extended plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yggdrasil [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Anyway, a lot of posters here are american, so you might want to keep the financial aspect in mind when suggesting counselling, especially to young people.
Sounds like it wasn't you who needed the counseling.Quote:
Originally Posted by misombra [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Get the lube ready, bend over and drop 'em cupcake. I'll be right behind you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gottfried [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Hey! I thought Gott was *my* estalker.
Now I find out he's just your average e-ho.
I remember discussing something like this a long time ago with Vash about her daughter or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Boy II [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Privileged folk, people that don't have real problems, genuine drama in their lives, create it.
Think about it.
Humans weren't built to always be happy. We need emotions like anger and sadness to feel alive. That's why we like scary movies and tearjerkers. It's also why we enjoy roller coasters. The mind always needs to be occupied on something. Think, even while your sleeping your brain is still active, it can't, not be active in a healthy human being.
That's why we have all these kids today that have no good excuse to be unhappy, yet they are. Because everything else is great. Because they have no legitimate reason to be upset about anything, so their need for drama manifests itself in these silly "disorders", because that's the best they can come up with.
Ok, so I'd like to add some questions to the forum please?
What do you consider qualified disorders to go to a counselor over?
Do you only recognize western psychiatrists as part of this ideology?
I remember you saying in a different post, Vash, about how Bi-polar was the new trendy disorder to have, and adhd was the 90's disorder to have. Granted, I'll agree with you that much these days is over-diagnosed, and that because so many people see shrinks, the shrinks are able to find something wrong with everyone. It's like, which flavor are you? Are you repressing memories from your childhood? Do you like to self-mutilate? Are you overly narcissistic? Do you suffer from low self-esteem? There is no "normal" these days, everything that everyone is diagnosed with is considered a negative thing that can only be corrected by your friendly neighborhood legalized drug dealer.
This is so we are all so doped up, we don't recognize the real life shit that's going on around us. But that's just my theory.
I see nothing wrong, however, with seeking certain eastern medicine treatments. They focus less on the self-absorption of ego, and more on the healing of the spirit, mind and body.
People are egotistical by nature. But everyone does have their problems, I think it's just that many people grew up believing they knew how to achieve true happiness, and then were sorely disappointed and thus unable to cope.
Therapists can't prescribe medication.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollerderby [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Isn't that just a hippy-dippy way of saying ego, or self?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollerderby [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
If I had to pick two phrases that describe life they would be these:
1. Shit happens.
2. This too shall pass.
#1 should be obvious. #2 is also, except to remember it applies to positive things as well as negative, so enjoy what you can while you can.
Remember this, and pretty much everything else falls into place. We don't need drugs then.
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Originally Posted by vashti [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Yes, psychiatrists can.
No, ego is mind or personality, as is superego. It's a higher part of your mind. Spirit is different than ego. But let's stay on topic.
You didn't answer either of my two questions initially posed either.
A psychiatrist has a different job than a therapist; a psychiatrist is actually a doctor, and a therapist is not. Psychiatrists treat people with genuine mental illness such as schizophrenia. A therapist cannot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollerderby [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I disagree with your definitions; it seems to me that spirit, mind, personality, etc. are what makes up the self, and constant scrutiny and contemplation of any of these things is pretty much the definition of self-absorption.
I don't consider normal responses to crappy situations a reason to advise a therapist. If you want to know my opinion of specific eastern practices, maybe you should specify which ones.
Indi - I like your last post.
there are medications to cure that passing stuff you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
healthy body = healthy mind. people eat too much crap/junk food and that is what is affecting people negatively. people are getting depressed more than ever now and i believe that if they were to eat a healthy diet and exercise more instead of sitting indoors munching on crap and watching crap on tv with no friends life would be so much better and over analyzing personal issues wouldn't happen so much to require counseling
just my thoughts
in my eyes, drinking solves everything. problems are better when you have forgotten about them.. it's like sweeping the dust underneath the rug.
raverboy
Well, I disagree that the self and the ego are the same. Ego is more of the personality, and one side of the self, which I agree is made up of body, mind and spirit. Everyone's self-absorbed to a certain degree. There are unhealthy levels and normal levels.
What is your take on: Reiki, EFT, acupuncture, acupressure, Tai Chi, Yoga, Meditation... etc.
Could you be more specific on what kind of everyday crappy situations are not reasons to see a counselor? Maybe an "if" and "then" kind of scenario like "if this person is only this crazy, no but if they have exceeded crazy by X amount, then...."
I think having therapy is really an american thing.
Over here, therapy is not even advertised and there has been not one person i have met who has been to therapy..ever.
aand i think although the idea of paying to talk to a shrink is kinda lame, the actual talking about your problems is good.
uhh, yeah. I think I already conceded this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollerderby [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Reiki = ineffectiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Rollerderby [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
EFT = placebo for suggestible people
acupuncture = of some value
acupressure = jury is out; I'd rather have a massage
Tai Chi = I consider this to have many of the same health benefits as other exercises with minimal risk of injury, esp. for the elderly
Yoga = great for your health
Meditation = good for stress and pain
Nah... too much effort. I think I layed out the gist of my thoughts pretty well already, and everyone else seemed to understand my point, even if they didn't agree. Maybe you want to go back and re-read?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollerderby [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I'm surprised that so many of the people on this forum seem to be anti-therapy. I think therapy can be quite helpful for some, especially for those who don't have good family support in their lives or who haven't been taught good self-esteem.
The key is finding a good therapist who isn't going to allow you to wallow in self-absorbtion and one who knows when to end the sessions when the work is becoming redundant.
I understand what ya'll are saying here, but I have to say, good therapy has gotten me through some rough times. Mind you, the therapy I had was cognitive therapy, not psychoanalysis. (can't really speak to that since I've never had it).
I would rather masturbate than go to therapy
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Originally Posted by starbuck [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
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Originally Posted by vashti [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
over here?? where are you from again?Quote:
Originally Posted by PussyCatDoll [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
raverboy
Yeah, I got your point, and I could use my imagination on who needs counseling and who doesn't, but some cases are fine lines. I was just curious if you had some specific examples to back up the points you were making. If you are too busy to respond, that's fine, but I figured since you started this thread you might want to discuss specifics a bit. Especially since the thread got off track a bit in the middle.
I wasn't talking specifically about you, Vash, but about the thread in general. It seems like the overall consensus of this thread is that therapy is more harmful than useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by vashti [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Am I wrong about the over-arching theme of this thread?
Starbuck, I think what Vash is saying is that short-term therapy/counseling for "normal" (as in not having a serious chemical imbalance in your brain that prevents you from ever functioning normally) is one thing, but to depend on it over time, after your problems have been "solved" and you continue is can nurture unhealthy self-absorption.
I think many people would benefit from some sort of counseling. It promotes self-reflection which, providing you are "normal", is one of the healthiest ways of self-healing.
However, maybe it's like a hypochondriac who runs to the doctor every 5 minutes thinking they are ill; going to therapy regularly, when you are just experiencing emotional highs and lows is a waste. I think today, a lot of people forget that we have emotions that are not always linked to logical responses, but that doesn't mean something is clinically wrong with us.
On the contrary, I think traumas can occur that can range from large scale (i.e. Rape, molestation, witnessing murder) or on a smaller scale (i.e. experiencing something as a child that an adult could handle and process, but is too much for the child's mind) that can lead to dysfunctional behavior and self-harming cycles.
But fixing any kind of problem you need to get to the root of where that problem began. I feel that some western therapists can ignore the emotional side of behavioral problems in favor of focusing on the psychiatric side. I feel, however, that in order to self-heal, you need to heal the whole self, not just the mind.
what needs to be combined more is going to the doctor and he/she asking about stresses on ones life that might be causing an illness, rather than trying to diagnose and hand pills out to mask the symptoms for a physical ailment that was brought on by stress or emotions; which general doctors are not able to see because they don't seem to be trained to look at that side of things.
Valid point eco, but wanna put a few commas and or periods in that? lol.
lol good point about the comma's. hehe i didn't notice, i ran outta breath reading it again
Yeah I understand what she's saying, just not sure I agree with her 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollerderby [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Some people are "healthy" but prone to depression. Some are prone to anger or anxiety or have a severe phobia. Normal, high-functioning people can have reoccuring emotional problems. Could therapy help? Maybe. Maybe not. I'm not quite sure I can see how it hurts.
Do some people develop unhealthy tendencies from too much therapy? I'm sure they do. But I've also known people who develop unhealthy tendencies from things like yoga. I know a woman who got a hernia from pushing herself too far into a position while not listening to her body. She ended up doing this twice, as a matter of fact.
But back to the therapy issue, what if you have no wise friends or family to talk to? Or, even worse, your friends and family are more messed up than you? Or you'd like to keep your problems private?
I reckon that talking to a complete stranger who knows what s/he's doing can be quite a relief, just got to make sure that it's not one that is in it for the money and gives bullshit advice.
I'm totaly against pill pushers when it comes to therapy, except for the really heavy duty cases.
There are better methods such as for example mindfulness training, which is becomming more and more accepted in neuroscience and is backed up by research.
They are ALL in it for the money (and I'm not sure why that would be a bad thing). That's how they pay they bills... people pay them to be their friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lipp [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]