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You know I was about to say those exact words befor I read your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by girl68 [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
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So i'm interested in this kind of thing. Where does the execs come from? they was middle manageers from other companies? Consultants before hired?Quote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
(totally off topic but just for my infomation..)
I think that generally, executive positions are filled from within an organization by promoting experienced middle managers. When they can't find anyone that they feel is qualified, then they start hiring from other companies.Quote:
Originally Posted by valhensing [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I'm not sure how often a consultant would get hired to permanently fill an executive role but I think that would be kinda rare.
I'm speaking from experience. It happens quite a lot. Talent is where you find it, and since consultants usually command higher rates than salaried employees, its usually more a problem of getting them to stick around. It also depends what you mean by executive position. There are plenty of 'execs' that are nothing more than middle managers with a larger title. I've known vice-presidents of small companies whose job description isn't more than a glorified admin/HR manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanctuary [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Its true if one can't find qualified people from within then one recruits externally, tho that's usually a bad sign of management not to have talent rising. One doesn't hire directly from other companies, tho. Direct poaching of the sort you describe is very bad business and gives a firm a reputation that inevitably causes problems. That's what headhunter services are for. :D
gosh! how is it that people get headhunted? Headhunter service? Those are recruitment firm right?
Yes, that's right.
how is it that people get headhunted!!
Everyone needs to start somewhere.... those consultants usually do not appear as consultants straight out of university.Quote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
By the way the executive level applies to such a small percentage of the population it is not even worth considering in my opinion.
Most middle managers probably are not truly executive material .. but that does not mean you need to be most middle managers nor does it suggest that the success of a persons life needs to be measured by their ability to become an executive. Middle management does still pay exceedingly well.
The actual point is you are better off being in admin/support or middle management over working for close to minimum wage or being a labourer because all of the chicks get given the jobs. And you'll get pay rises. Labourers don't.
Executives are commonly listed in various business publications. Forbes has an entire database of 'whos who'. The local paper will also have a business section that lists appointees to new positions. You can submit your CV to headhunter firms, usually once a year to stay in the game. You never know what pings, tho usually that comes from networking.
In any case, it is still not fair that the girls get all the jobs, whether or not there are more male executives because to someone at the start of their career executive positions are irrelevant.
True. I thought that was obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoredGeorge [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I agree. And a general needs good officers, or nothing gets done.Quote:
Most middle managers probably are not truly executive material .. but that does not mean you need to be most middle managers nor does it suggest that the success of a persons life needs to be measured by their ability to become an executive. Middle management does still pay exceedingly well.
If you are straight admin, then you are right. Its not hard to type and push papers around (tho, ask for some reasonable judgment in the mix and its still surprising hard to find good help). But for a guy, the solution is simple: combine business with a technical skill. Or multiple languages. If you are reasonably intelligent and personable, you are pretty much set w/that combination.Quote:
The actual point is you are better off being in admin/support or middle management over working for close to minimum wage or being a labourer because all of the chicks get given the jobs. And you'll get pay rises. Labourers don't.
Which is discriminatory from the start. To be a successful male you must be technical. To be a successful female you can be either technical or non-technical. I think that is the obvious trend.Quote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
The question is to what extent is this division of labor justified ?
Even technical skills are not going to guarantee you a job, the world is full of useless recent graduates from engineering and computer science courses.
I don't know any unemployed engineers... Note I said the combination was important. Tech or science ppl living down in their silos not communicating with anyone are of limited use to a business.
I was just suggesting that men tend to be more apt for technical work, so exploit it. George, do you know I would hire a male assistant over a female one 9/10 times? That should reassure you.
A recent graduate is not yet an engineer.Quote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Its not hard to get an apprenticeship for the two years you need for your PEng.
I know recent graduates.. they are having trouble finding jobs. Back in baby boomer land engineering degree = set for life. These days, not the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I just looked up jobs at CSIRO where you are and found several jobs. They might have to relocated, but that's common when you first graduate. We moved too. Shrug.
[url]https://recruitment.csiro.au/asp/job_list.asp[/url]
Here's a few more. Mish, you might want to have a look also:
[url]https://recruitment.csiro.au/asp/job_list.asp[/url]
I have to say, if i were my boss, i wouldnt take in another person just to have a female worker.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoredGeorge [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Let's be fair bg, in technical field, people tend to not hire female. At least, not for a coding position