Jerks will always win...

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Originally Posted by shadowMike4d4 [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Meh, I just think the OP should see what happens with an older woman...couldn't hurt, he's an adult in his 20's now.

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The problem is not being with an older woman, but hooking up with her mother's friends..

I am 100% serious! I am a former Hypnotherapist. I can give you so much confidence, it won't matter how you look. I use to be the same way growing up, and hypnosis changed my life. I feel for guys like you and will be willing to help you free of charge ;)

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Originally Posted by BeneathTheSun [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

This is something I've read that I believe. Guys don't talk so much about feelings with eachother, they are more active, like playing videogames, pool, rock climbing etc. Girls on the other hand talk alot about feeling with eachother.

So when the "Nice Guy" meets a girl, he talks feelings with her and what happens? His behaviour is more like one of her girlfriends and he will never be the boyfriend.
The "Nice Guy" falls in love because talking about feelings is something that he doesn't do with his friends (not in a very big extent at least).

I think the Jerk is more active, if he meets a girl he doesn't talk about feelings, therefore his behaviour doesn't resemble her other girlfriends and she sees him as something else. I.E boyfriend.

I don't talk feelings with girls at first because I would freak out if I hear: "Why can't everybody be like you?" one more time.

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I must be different because I like it when guys talk about feelings and be open with me.

Straight off the bat and what had endeared to my ex, was that he was a very open guy who shared EVERYTHING with me. I fell for him quickly....likely because he also physically appealed.

The only guy I'd friendzone, is a guy who wasn't physically appealing to my eye. Even if he was confident, he wouldn't stand a chance and if he wasn't physically appealing.

IMO, girls who don't fancy you, just aren't into you physically. Nothing to do with whether you are nice or not, confident or not.
If you are an ugly assertive guy who oozes confidence....you still won't get the girl and if you don't physically appeal to her eye.

Looks are always the initial attraction.....not whether you are nice or not, confident or not, etc.

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Originally Posted by xxazurexx [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

I must be different because I like it when guys talk about feelings and be open with me.

Straight off the bat and what had endeared to my ex, was that he was a very open guy who shared EVERYTHING with me. I fell for him quickly....likely because he also physically appealed.

The only guy I'd friendzone, is a guy who wasn't physically appealing to my eye. Even if he was confident, he wouldn't stand a chance and if he wasn't physically appealing.

IMO, girls who don't fancy you, just aren't into you physically. Nothing to do with whether you are nice or not, confident or not.
If you are an ugly assertive guy who oozes confidence....you still won't get the girl and if you don't physically appeal to her eye.

Looks are always the initial attraction.....not whether you are nice or not, confident or not, etc.

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thats true.. its all about physical appearance. the smaller men, i find, tend to be the 'feeling' type.

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Originally Posted by xxazurexx [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

I must be different because I like it when guys talk about feelings and be open with me.

Straight off the bat and what had endeared to my ex, was that he was a very open guy who shared EVERYTHING with me. I fell for him quickly....likely because he also physically appealed.

The only guy I'd friendzone, is a guy who wasn't physically appealing to my eye. Even if he was confident, he wouldn't stand a chance and if he wasn't physically appealing.

IMO, girls who don't fancy you, just aren't into you physically. Nothing to do with whether you are nice or not, confident or not.
If you are an ugly assertive guy who oozes confidence....you still won't get the girl and if you don't physically appeal to her eye.

Looks are always the initial attraction.....not whether you are nice or not, confident or not, etc.

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Are you speaking for yourself or is this a general thing for women? AFAIK looks are far less important for women than for men.
Being tall/in good shape is not only physical but psychologically it adds to the equation that a man is able to protect a woman.

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Originally Posted by MynameisJesus [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Are you speaking for yourself or is this a general thing for women? AFAIK looks are far less important for women than for men.
Being tall/in good shape is not only physical but psychologically it adds to the equation that a man is able to protect a woman.

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Myself. I referred to 'I' didnt I and it's my opinion.

But then red sparrow agrees and she is female.....so 2 females agree :)

Females are not so focused on looks as men, but looks are always usually the 'initial' attraction for both sexes, harsh fact of reality. A guy still has to be physically appealing to our eye, else we would be capable of forming relationships and sleeping with any man who crossed our path....even the ugly, fat, repulsive guy and you'd never hear the 'nice' guy whinging, he never got the girl....

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Originally Posted by xxazurexx [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

even the ugly, fat, repulsive guy and you'd never hear the 'nice' guy whinging, he never got the girl....

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Does that mean all "nice guys" who don't get girls are ugly, fat and/or repulsive?

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Originally Posted by the_robot [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Does that mean all "nice guys" who don't get girls are ugly, fat and/or repulsive?

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No, because "physically appealing" has about 6 billion different definitions. My roommate in college and I had no shortage of men who found us attractive. She fell head over heels for a guy she thought was gorgeous...and I thought he was way to short and kind of girlie looking. I fell for a guy who I thought was the most handsome guy I had ever seen, my roommate wrinkled up her nose and couldn't understand why I would be attracted to him. Everyone has things that are more or less important to them. Sure, there are some people who are so standardly beautiful that most people of the opposite sex find the attractive. But most of us vary from the pure ideal in quite a few ways. Her guy was short and too "pretty" for me. My guy was too tall and too heavy for her.

Also, for women I know, physical attraction is informed by behavior. I met a guy once, he was fairly attractive. But the more he whined and acted like a little girl, the more feminine his features appeared to me. The first time I met my boyfriend, I wasn't sure if the spark would be there. But the more time I spent with him, the more sexy he appeared to me.