i don't like self-righteous christians OR fundamentalist atheists. They are all know-it-alls.
Congrats, indi!
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i don't like self-righteous christians OR fundamentalist atheists. They are all know-it-alls.
Congrats, indi!
What's a fundamentalist Athiest? Wondering if I fall into the category. (my religious leanings are "I won't tell you what to believe if you won't tell me what to believe")Quote:
Originally Posted by vashti [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
And congrats to Indi!
Nick, come on, you would take me anytime over some atheist, if I were actually a single :D
She's implying that there's a group of people that don't believe in gods and go around forcing other people to also not believe in gods. She's confusing the existence of "fundamentalist atheist" with someone who's just an asshole.Quote:
Originally Posted by basilandthyme [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I haven't given up yet. I'm learning to play Chopin's Polish mazurkas on the piano now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petit Papillon [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Don't worry, LF. I'll get 'er.
Dang.
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well ethical and self righteous are not mutually exclusive. look at some of our most prized heroes; they preach freedom and benefits for all, meanwhile living a life of selfishness and greed.
people who believe in god are people that i will always be close to. you can be ethical in the eyes of man, but what doesn't matter if you are not doing right by god?
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i like muslim people too. even though your people did hijack that malaysian airplane. i don't hold it against you personally.
I consider myself a humanist. I trust my own senses and ability to rationally think and I value humanity in general. I don't personally feel the need for a personal god, and I haven't seen any evidence of such a being, so its simply not something that I feel needs affect my daily life.Quote:
Originally Posted by KingZ [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I respect my SO's faith and he respects my lack of. As I said, however, he's not a rabid Christian. He believes, but doesn't feel the need to go to church on Sundays, and appreciates the bible (and other religious works) as moral guides to be taken in the context of the eras in which they were written. I have a similar view on the bible, which I read as a child. As I've said many times on this forum, I think there is a big difference between faith and religion. I have no problem with the former if kept personal, it is the latter I have no use for. In this, my SO and I are aligned so there is no issue.
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I'm not confused, we just haven't agreed on terminology. I have no problem with the term "asshole atheist", if you prefer it. To answer your earlier question, however, I suppose I am an atheist, since by definition I don't believe in a god.Quote:
Originally Posted by KingZ [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I was talking about vashti, who's in a perpetual state of confusion. She still thinks she's Jewish.
I have faith in your ability to logic.
See, again its all about agreeing on terminology. I remember this discussion with Vash. My understanding she is jewish by faith, but not ethnicity. Gets confusing when the two are the same.
So, here's a thought experiment: what will we call ourselves when we start designing our own genesets? How will this affect one's ethnicity?
Here is the mix I would like:
Looks - Indian
Brains - Indian
Athleticism - African
Health - Japanese
Upbringing (for discipline) - British or German
Military training (early adulthood) - Jewish
Education - American
Oh dear god, that's a terrible mix.
The Indians are the ugliest and the dumbest, and they have those disgusting, infuriating accents. African athleticism pales in comparison to the Jamaicans. The Japanese are healthy, but not when compared to the Scandinavians (especially Sweden and Iceland).
The British are definitely not disciplined; German discipline will give us another Hitler. The Jews can't really be given credit for military training because they're entirely funded by the US, which inarguably has the best military of all.
American education... fine. But it's only good in university or other schools that require you to have money.
Well, I'm not above a bit of consulting help on my design. Let's see you come up with better. We are also assuming 100% on each trait, when a mix would be more likely. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by KingZ [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Looks - AMERICA
Brains - AMERICA
Athleticism - AMERICA
Health - AMERICA
Upbringing (for discipline) - AMERICA
Military training (early adulthood) - AMERICA
Education - AMERICA
Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Canuck.
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Here is my mix
Looks - Venezuelan
Brains - African
Language - Australian
Athleticism - Russian
Health - Dutch
Upbringing (for discipline) Japaneese
Military training - French legion
Education - Swedish
Alright, if we're going to take this seriously, can we at least have a tits category?
(AMERICA wins that, too.)
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Originally Posted by KingZ [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I'm no expert, but this seems to be a very clear case of 1st degree jelly.
What's an example of being ethical in the eyes of man but not doing right by God?Quote:
Originally Posted by goodmorning [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Gay marriage, I'm guessing.Quote:
Originally Posted by basilandthyme [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
It doesn't matter. All of this necessarily assumes an agreement on axioms of logic that are impossible to logically prove, which defeats the original purpose of discussing these things within the realm of reason. To be honest, I don't even see the point of discussing them at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by basilandthyme [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Ugh. Indi is marrying one of them.
Maybe it means "ethical but morally wrong"? Like in the Antigone tragedy, she buries her brother even though the king had prohibited to give him a proper burial since he was a traitor (really short version). Basically she does what she believes is the "right thing" (or as she puts it, "right in the eyes of the gods") as opposed to what is right in the eyes of society or the law ("right in the eyes of man").Quote:
Originally Posted by basilandthyme [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
But yes, it might also mean morally and ethically right, but prohibited by some religion or another.
The Queen of Ethics has finally arrived, 4 pages later. Just in time.
[edit] Speaking of things I just realized, I just realized basilandthyme's name is "basil and thyme". Mother of GOD. I fucking LOVE basil and thyme and rosemary and all that good shit. We used to grow some in the garden and I would spray it over everything, like sprinkles on ice cream. I actually have some basil in the cupboard right now; no thyme, though. Feels like I'm 1 bottle of thyme short of having my shit together.
But we won't be having children, so Dawkins would be pleased. Perhaps my purpose is to convert *him* to the benefits of rational atheism. He's rather good about my scientific bent, and he doesn't believe in creationism or the like.Quote:
Originally Posted by KingZ [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Anyway, he thinks I'm an angel sent from heaven for him, so that works for me.:emot70:
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Herbes de Provence. Yum. I knew you were a classy guy. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by KingZ [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Are you yumming at me or the herbs?
...we already know.
I think that particular hatred is a human construct. I think that it could be posited that if there is a God, and he made humanity, then he made gays the way they are, and is cool with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Side note: Fred Phelps is dying. I wonder what his reaction will be when he arrives in hell.
He sounded like a real standup guy. Wife and child-beater who hated the world, not just gays. I hope his death brings him some peace. It will certainly give it to others.Quote:
Originally Posted by HeartIsAching [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Totally killed a beautiful opportunity to troll. :(Quote:
Phelps' daughter Shirley stated that a funeral for her father will not be held because Westboro does not "worship the dead".
peoples ethics are ever changing, varying, and susceptible to bend. most often wrong. yet people live by them even to the demise of society.Quote:
Originally Posted by basilandthyme [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I have no problem with homosexuality, but I just want to point out this argument doesn't hold. Not the least of which is God may or may not exist, but also that we could insert "murderer" in your statement with a very different response.Quote:
Originally Posted by HeartIsAching [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Its about values. Phelps' was just whacked.
If God exists, he also created murder and is cool with it. So what? HIA's argument is useful to argue back to fundamentalist christians (or any monotheistic and homophobic religion), that's all. It doesn't imply that everything that God created is morally right - although of course, fundamentalist christians would probably jump to that conclusion.
No. God created free will, which was used by man to do evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Queen of Wrong [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
like, duh, obviously.
Yeah, that's what they say to wriggle out of that one. For someone to murder someone, murder has to exist... God created murder or else murder wouldn't exist. Oh but wait, he did it to give us the precious opportunity to make the right choice between "good" and "evil", it was for our own good. Nice. God also created tsunamis and hurricanes and malaria though.Quote:
Originally Posted by KingZ [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I'm not an apologist. Even if logic is a universal constant, the universe is only a subset of the God superset. Therefore, it would be impossible to fully or effectively explain God using logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by searock [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Yep, that is true.
Finally.
"Nick, you're right."
Basking in my glory.
it's not ok to bash black people, it's not ok to bash muslims, it's not ok to even reasonably disagree with homosexuality, but it's perfectly ok and socially acceptable to bash christians.
the devils on his way.
Idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by goodmorning [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Anyway, you were close. No, it's not okay to bash black people for being black; it's not okay to bash homosexuals for being homosexual. It is okay to bash Muslims and Christians, but only to an extent.
The differentiating factor here is that Christians and Muslims can choose their faith (sort of); blacks and gays cannot choose their race or sexual orientation.
what are you doing up so ****ing early?
if you don't agree with gay marriage, you're a bigot. if you say something bad about obama, you are racist. if you say something bad about jesus, you're famous.
Amphetamine addicts don't sleep.
"wah, christians are persecuted."
You're a WAH . SK8ERBOI.
LOL on the SR-KZ "no... I'm smarter than you" exchange. You two love web-stroking each other.
As for the rest, Namaste to all.