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Originally Posted by Gribble [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I say we blame the Mormons, they are scheming something all the time.
hah! that was completely random. where the hell did that come from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Only-virgins [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Answering the thread title and letting out my hate for the stupidest religion ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by lilwing [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
don't sell guns.
no one will have guns.
no shootings.
You mean no, legal distribution of firearms?Quote:
Originally Posted by LostNotFound [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Ha! Clark Kent is posting here!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chimeros0 [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Just like no one has weed right? cause we don't sell it.Quote:
Originally Posted by LostNotFound [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Best effing post I've seen all year!Quote:
Originally Posted by Only-virgins [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
conclusion:
violent crime, i am to blame.
You can't just stop selling guns and all the ones already out there will just disappear. That’s bull pie!!! But... if you make guns illegal... then over time guns will be whittled out and rates of gun crime will fall...
It will take a long time, many years, but you have to start somewhere.
If you never try, you'll never succeed. Simple as that.
you're so wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoveTwist [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Of course guns will gradually have to be confiscated and destroyed too. And yes it will take many years, decades, maybe even centuries but making guns illegal is the first step to that.
How else would you propose to go about reducing gun crime?
I guess better education might help too, but having stricter gun laws is definitely the way forward.
If I’m so wrong that having stricter gun control laws would reduce levels of gun crime … Why do you think levels of gun crime are so much lower in the UK, a country that has already enforced stricter gun control for years?
because this is the u.s., and that is the u.k. we love our guns here in america.
guns are not going to be mad illegal in america. no way, no how.
better education might help. i think better parenting is the way forward.
Why do you love guns so much in America? What’s the benefit of guns, other then for defence against other guns? Surely there are better mechanisms of defence, less lethal ways to defend yourself then shooting someone dead? Chloroform bombs maybe? ... mmm, maybe not. But maybe its time we invented stun guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by misombra [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Yeah better education is definately the way forward too. That seems to be the way forward for pretty much everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by misombra [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
My state's constitution:
Political Powers
Section 2.
All power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority and instituted for their peace, safety and happiness. For the advancement of these ends they have at all times an inalienable and indefeasible right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think proper.
As a result:
Right to Bear Arms
Section 21.
The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.
Our country was founded on distrust of the federal government.
Why do you think the United States had a civil war?
To free blacks?
HAHA!
Please...
LoL, guns confiscated and destroyed. What are Police going to carry? how is the military going to get arms? Sounds like havoc would get out when the only person in the world holding a gun is some unstable kid in school. Your logic on this is horrible Lovetwist. There is also large firearm corporations giving people jobs and such also like Smith&Wesson or whatever.
It all remains the same to me, guns are not dangerous...that is dependent on the individual holding it. How about trying to solve the problem why people are shooting each other and not stop the means that they are doing it with?
but people are going to be shooting each other no matter what so the smart thing is to keep yourself away from areas of possibility and try stay in safe areas, send your kids to safe places.....basically keep your ass out of black neighborhoods or hick infested scrap yards with supremacists ... when a horrible thing like Virginia tech happens well sorry but the only saying here is "shit happens" and move on.
Holly sh*t,
just as I gave up all hope of their being anyone sane on this forum.
Thank you OV.
P.S. Just because I am from South Africa doesn't make me Black or have a pet lion you bunch of superficial bitches...
Had to make that clear to the stereotypical assholes out there.
Look at the statistics for gun ownership in the U.S. About 50 million Americans own guns. I know that sounds like a lot, but look at the percentage. That's one sixth of our population. I hardly think 1/6 qualifies as being representative of the entire country's feelings toward firearms. I also think that that is a low enough percentage that were gun laws to be enacted, it wouldn't be too difficult to get people to cooperate.Quote:
Originally Posted by misombra [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
If you start slowly putting more and more restrictions on firearms, you could eventually remove them almost completely from the United States with little rebellion. It would simply take several decades of gradual changes.
And have Fras, have you read the second amendment? Well, the actual amendment states that we do have a right to bear arms, but only in the form of a well regulated militia. It doesn't say every joe-shmoe is allowed to go down to K-Mart and buy a rifle.
So you're philosophy is to just run away and not try to fix anything? Better to take the easy way out and never address the problem. Well I got news for you, at this rate most of America will become a ghetto that you want to run from. 'people are going to be shooting each other no matter what'? Come one. If they don't have guns, how're they going to shoot each other? With bows and arrows?Quote:
Originally Posted by Only-virgins [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
And have you ever been outside the U.S.? Cause if you have, then you might have noticed that there are dozens of countries where the police don't carry firearms.
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Originally Posted by TDurden [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
maybe that's the amount of people who own registered, legal guns. i'm sure many many more americans own guns. also, if the amount of people who owned guns (legally) corresponded to the feelings of americans than we would've had more strict gun laws long ago.
Sorry TDurden;
"Look at the statistics for gun ownership in the U.S. About 50 million Americans own guns."
Just want to know if those statistics include illegally owned guns,etc.?
The thing about gun laws is that they only work on the Legal Abiding Citizens.
The "others" make themselves above the law & get away with murder...
Had to say it...
Sorry.
Actually I mentioned in my post that we have to find the reasons why people are doing the shooting and not just take their guns away. Would you have been happier if the kid just blew himself up with a bomb during an assembly taking even more then 32 people with him? The handgun glock did not walk into the school and shoot 32 people, the kid did. Funny thing is that you can buy a bow gun with point sharp tips for like 50 bucks at sporting goods stores...they will kill too.Quote:
Originally Posted by TDurden [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Firstly both the police and the military would still be able to carry guns .. of course. It would be havoc like you say, if they didn't have guns. They need to have weapons to keep the order. Its just every other weirdo on the street that shouldn't be able to have such easy access to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Only-virgins [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Secondly, the whole point of the stricter gun controls would be to stop people like that high school kid from getting a gun. I'm not saying it will happen over night and all gun crime will be stopped as soon as stricter gun laws are introduced because that’s ludicrous. But over time, yes stricter gun laws can reduce levels of gun crime. Theres loads of evidence for this in many countries.
Guns aren’t dangerous!!! What the hell??? Sure it’s the person who’s holding it that the fires the shot but –Quote:
Originally Posted by Only-virgins [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Guns are weapons!! Gun are designed for killing!
Yeah I agree with you here. Even if stricter gun laws were introduced, (and this looks very doubtful due to public opinion on the matter and the fact that the right to carry firearms enshrined in the constitution), the best way to avoid getting shot is to avoid the problem areas. That’s probably the best advice for anyone wanting to avoid gun crime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Only-virgins [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Unfortunately some don't have the luxury of avoiding it, but what the hey... no point in trying to change things. Everyone dies sometime. Just some people get unlucky and are born in a crappy neighbour hood or run into a crazy maniac with a gun. But that’s life ... "shit happens"
100% agree with you here. Just taking peoples guns away is not enough, especially since stricter gun laws won’t even have an impact for decades. What’s really important is better education about the dangerous of guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Only-virgins [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Been there done that. We’ve already gone over that argument, go back a few pages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Only-virgins [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Number 1 – Guns are designed to make killing easier.
Number 2 – Do you think an untrained, screwed up kid could perpetrate a mass killing like the one seen in the Virginia incident with anything other than a gun?
Bombs take time and effort to make, and are illegal anyway. Bow guns are considerably more difficult to operate then a gun. With a gun you simply have to aim and fire. Guns can be loaded with many bullets for many rounds of shots and can be aimed at people much more accurately without training than a bow gun or nearly any other weapon you care to mention.
But, even if these other weapons could be used in such a fashion, that’s besides the point, because if they could be used as easily to kill people as guns, then they too should have stricter laws controlling their ownership.
So yes, better education is needed. Studies into why people go crazy and kill loads of people should b conducted, but stricter gun laws would be the best way to combat gun crime of all, maybe not today or tomorrow, but for a safer future we have to start now.
Otherwise you can just let the problem persist and people will go on killing because they’ll always be someone who goes crazy and kills a load of people ad they'll always be criminals out on the street that use guns to kill that person who was standing in their way after they robbed a shop and they'll always be gangsters that kill some guy who couldn’t come up with the money they owed them....
The future is bleak, the future is gun crime. :P
*sigh*
There is no hope for the future.
That & people that think it's so hard to make a bomb.
If you haven't used a gun before,or haven't taught anyone to.
Try it...
Their aim is atrocious for the first few weeks to a month, they close their eyes when they pull the trigger & they don't take recoil into effect.
Sometimes they even drop the damn thing.
Never mind forgetting the safety on or reloading incorrectly.
These guys that do the school shootings plan well ahead...
They train for years/months or are natural gun lovers.
It's also easier to hit a group of random people then a single person/target.
So as far as picking up a gun & shooting it goes,I don't believe anyone that says it's as easy as point & click.
This isn't Doom 3 or the internet people!
I'd also like to see how effective a pair of glock's are in comparison to a suicide bomber in Iraq.
If those guys can get hold of materials to make bomb(s) ( & they live in a desert waist land ),who is to say a citizen/student of a first world country ( like the USA ) can't get better materials & blow up the whole school.
Hell,my students physical science books explain in detail how to make a bomb from common household items in about an hour.
But wait,what am I saying.
Suicide bombers weren't made to kill hundreds of people at a single time & send out a message whilst utilizing cheap replaceable resources.
They were made to cuddle with...Like the Care Bears.
Guns were made to kill people instead.
& only guns...
It all makes so much more sense now.
Oh my god! Bombs were made for healing!! It all makes so much sense now!. Thanks for that. I had no idea bombs could kill mass numbers of people.. You've really opened my eyes on that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chimeros0 [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
So bombs should be made legal too then. Everyone should be allowed to walk around carrying bombs. I see it all so clearly now. Bombs are the way forward. Everyone grab yourself a bomb and lets make the world a better place!
That's the idea LoveTwist,blow yourself up & make the world a happier,safer place for the sane.
Decontaminate the gene pool.
I just love how my logic works on idiots...
If I keep this up,the world might actually become a better,safer place.
Hah. Clearly you've never held a firearm before, Chimeros. At the ripe old age of nine it took me all of ten seconds to learn how to load, cock, and flick the safety off a gun. Maybe a couple hours to learn to squeeze the trigger rather than yank. Maybe a few days to nail coke cans from a fair distance with a .22 rifle. Granted I had a good teacher, my grandfather. But even alone it wouldn't take months or years to familiarize yourself with firearms. A few visits to the local firing range. Maybe a class or two. See, that's the beauty of guns and crossbows. They don't require years of training. That's one of the reasons they replaced bows way back when. Hell, the first time my grandmother ever held a gun she was plinking tin cans like a pro.
Sure, bombs are bad. Relatively easy to make, too. Uhhh. So? Let's adopt policies to protect ourselves from both. It sure beats just giving up and letting people use whatever they want to slaughter us.
100% agree. We should find ways to better control both. That’s what I was inferring with I confess rather over the top sarcasm. Seems it was lost on some people so I will refrain from using it in the future. Or maybe I’ll have just one more shot at it first… just to check…Quote:
Originally Posted by Gribble [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Yeah, the world would be a lot better if I just blew myself up rather than trying to find a solution to end American gun crime. I can just give up on learning the pharmacology of drug design too and just blow my brains out. Maybe any one interested in putting an end to gun crime should blow themselves up. Makes perfect sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chimeros0 [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Ok then… enough with the sarcasm. What’s your solution to ending gun crime? Just ignore it?
Education can help sure, but at the end of the day why do we need readily available guns in this world for every other weirdo on the street (including me if you like)? Why should I just be able to go out and buy a gun in America and it be perfectly legal? Why???
while you guys are fighting for gun control could you work to get crack and meth off the street too?
Yeah sure thing. Will get right on it. Would be a hell of a lot easier if they're weren't so many guns in America though.Quote:
Originally Posted by misombra [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
lol. your name is on the money cause you got it twisted.
Ok.. fair enouh. My view is twisted. I’m twisted. I confess. So how would you deal with gun crime in America? Purely education? You still haven't answered my questions -Quote:
Originally Posted by misombra [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
* Why do you "love" guns so much over there in America?
* Why do you need guns other than for defense against other guns?
* Is it like the nuclear weapon situation, ie - if you have a gun on you then you're protected because no one will try and shoot you if you're carrying a gun?
cause it's quick and easy if we want someone or something to die. kinda like human extermination. lol.
i would rather die by a gun than most other things besides being on heavy doses of medication and being with my family.
anyway, there are a BILLION other, more important things to think this much about. if you don't like guns, then don't get one.
Thank you, that is exactly the pointQuote:
Originally Posted by Gribble [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Wars, and drugs, and Africans, oh my!Quote:
Originally Posted by misombra [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I don't give a rat's ass about drugs. I say we make them nice and cheap. Let's have a special home crackheads can go to. They can smoke 'til they OD and they're kept off the streets. It's a win-win situation.
Point taken. I won't buy a gun. But living here in the UK, as I do, I couldn't buy one anyway. :( Maybe I'm just jealous. All you over there in America (besides Chimeros) can buy a gun legally whenever you, and have it handy in your bag when you want shoot someone you don't like, but I can't. I’d have to make a bomb or buy a harpoon gun and that would be illegal, so if I got caught carrying that around I’d be arrested, fined or even sent to prison.Quote:
Originally Posted by misombra [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
But I get your point. I apologise. I'm done arguing now. I finally get it. There’s always going to be gun crime in America. I had a dream of a more peaceful America, but I see now that dreams like that don't come true. Its just far too unrealistic. No one is going to change the gun laws in America, because public opinion is in favour of guns and the right to carry a gun is enshrined in the constitution. America is famous for its guns. Taking away guns would be like taking away American culture. And that’s definitely wrong.
And anyway you're right, Chimeros is right, even if you did gradually manage to get rid of guns or reduce gun crime over decades people would still find other ways to kill. Bombs are easier enough to build, and while illegal can still be used to kill masses of people. We've seen suicide bombers do it enough to know that.
So what’s the point in trying to reduce gun crime when it will simply be replaced by other violent crimes? There is none obviously. I was wrong. Like a bunch of creationists who won’t give in, you've converted me to the benefits of guns. I wont argue anymore. Just wish I wasn't stuck in the UK where I don't have access to guns. :(
Also you're right misombra, there is a BILLION other things to think about in this world. Think I'm going to cut my losses on this topic and get back to the important things in life. For me that’s science. Science is the way forward.
Maybe eventually someone will invent a non-lethal stun gun and in a 1000 years from now it will be accepted into American culture and replace the shot gun. Guess we’ll never know, but at least it means there’s still some hope for a less violent future. Would be really sad if there were none.
Ha,didn't know I was running a church on the side*LOL*.
Thank you LoveTwist,I try so hard...
Hate to see time gone to waist,& I think.If I was running a church,you just redeemed yourself...
As for Gribble,he is your typical gun lover.
Talented too...
But hell,who introduces REAL guns to a 9 year old child.
The drug use mentality also worries me.
He sounds like some sort of hill billy that would pop a cap in my ass if I got within 2 meters of his property ( whilst he is under the influence ).
Gribble,do you smoke pot?
Or use any illegal drugs?
Or brew your own liqueur,real strong?
I am also sorry to admit that most South Africans don't adapt to firearms as fast as you.
Could be because they don't spend every minute polishing & practicing with their guns.
Could be the fact that you have to be in your late teens to get a gun here( & still wait about a minimum of 3 months for a license in order to then only pick up 1 single firearm ).
Or maybe that guns are expensive,but ammo ( especially the pirated crap ) is super cheap.
Oops,nearly forgot to mention that firing ranges can get few & far between to practice legally.
I think they try to get educated or something instead.
One last thing,a self quote if you would:
"Hell,my students physical science books explain in detail how to make a bomb from common household items in about an hour."
Are we going to make cleaning agents,charcoal,etc. illegal as well?
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Originally Posted by Gribble [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
you'll think so until you have your car and house broken into all the time by crackheads. has that ever happened to you gerbil?
No. I shoot anyone that wanders near my property, Misombra. Duh.