Are we men actually capable of loving someone till the day we die?

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26-02-11, 02:24 AM
xxazurexx

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Originally Posted by HeartIsAching [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Not by me. My wife and I have broken the mold in many ways in our lives. She's the one that works on the cars - I just hand her tools. She's smarter than I am, too. She'll argue with me on that but I've never made straight A's in school at any point of my life, not even as an adult paying for it. She nearly always does.

Well tons have broke the mould and not everyone adheres to 'biology' or blames 'biology' and for the way they are, or what they want to do.

In my opinion it is not what biology dictates and because we have choices and can 'choose' and what we want to do.

Realistically' it's not a good idea to go around and impregnate hundreds of women. For a start, how would he pay child support and to one hundred children to one hundred mothers. Some men cannot pay support and for the 'kid' they have already got.
He could never even be a good role model and to any one child and if he had hundreds to different women and because he couldn't manage to live between one hundred households....lol

It's really all pathetic.

Some men I reckon rejoice in using the biology argument and for an excuse as to the way they way and they can't help who they are...and because they just feel a need to have sex with everyone and they are quite simply, horny bastards. They are entitled and to screw....because biology dictates it.

But of course they can help it who they are and what they do...it;s used a very poor excuse.
26-02-11, 02:26 AM
xxazurexx

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Yes, but one woman could not hope to raise all 25 without the civilizations we have now. It's more logical to have 25 women who each raise one child.

I see. So in your 'ideal' world, women would be restricted to 'ONE' child, while men are free to fertilize as many women they can and have a hundred children to one hundred different women...uhm ok.
How is he going to afford child support and for 100 kids?? Most men can't afford the 'kid' they have got.

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I don't see any examples of where a woman is going against her nature. Women desire children too, so there's nothing odd about her making a move.

Hunt, pursuit, and capture are biologically programmed into male sexuality!! It is 'not' a part of a females biological makeup.

If woman was like man, she'd also feel a desire to bed men and in order to have as many kids as possible and to spread her genes. Because woman is not like man and is not a 'hunter', she will instead choose from the most desirable of the 'hunters' and to have a child with.

If a woman chooses to make a move, it is because she wants to and has chosen to make a move....she goes against her biological instincts - or she may infact, possess half female brain/half male brain - yes, it's possible!!

If woman can dismiss and go against biological instinct....so can man. You do NOT have to screw loadsa women, lol

If you men accept that it's down to biology or look to it and for the way you are and you can't help who you are, then don't expect women to go against our biological programming either and help who we are either....which is NOT a 'hunter'.
26-02-11, 03:33 AM
80r

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Originally Posted by xxazurexx [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

I see. So in your 'ideal' world, women would be restricted to 'ONE' child, while men are free to fertilize as many women they can and have a hundred children to one hundred different women...uhm ok.
How is he going to afford child support and for 100 kids?? Most men can't afford the 'kid' they have got.

Hunt, pursuit, and capture are biologically programmed into male sexuality!! It is 'not' a part of a females biological makeup.

If woman was like man, she'd also feel a desire to bed men and in order to have as many kids as possible and to spread her genes. Because woman is not like man and is not a 'hunter', she will instead choose from the most desirable of the 'hunters' and to have a child with.

If a woman chooses to make a move, it is because she wants to and has chosen to make a move....she goes against her biological instincts - or she may infact, possess half female brain/half male brain - yes, it's possible!!

If you men accept that it's down to biology or look to it and for the way you are and you can't help who you are, then don't expect women to go against our biological programming either and help who we are either....which is NOT a 'hunter'.

You seem to be ignoring the majority of the things I say. First of all, I said that a man's instincts aren't practical in today's society, but we haven't had enough time to evolve away from our current nature. Child support is irrelevant. Second, I never said that a man didn't have a choice. Though I may desire other women, I have not and will never cheat. Third, you keep saying that nature dictates that women shouldn't ever hunt, which is entirely untrue. Women desire offspring just as much as men do, they just don't have the urge to jump from person to person, unlike men, since it doesn't make any sense to. It's more logical for a woman to find one male and keep that male around to support her and her (their) children. Males are less likely to support a child that is not their own.

Finally, just because this is our nature, doesn't mean that we must live in shackles to our instincts. We are so highly evolved that we are not bound to them, though we may be born to them.
26-02-11, 03:46 AM
xxazurexx

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Originally Posted by 80r [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

n.

Finally, just because this is our nature, doesn't mean that we must live in shackles to our instincts. We are so highly evolved that we are not bound to them, though we may be born to them.

True.

Unfortunately not all men think the way you do and they will use it as an excuse and for being horny twits and think women should accept that it's 'just the way men are'.
Like you say, maybe it's the way men are...but it doesn't mean they have to be that way.
26-02-11, 02:43 PM
Regnent

I can't pinpoint this, but I get this nagging feeling that women can be women, but men are not allowed to be men.

Hey, I know you bleed out every month, and turn into a raging bitch because it sucks and you've got hormones raging through your body, but hey, it really doesn't have to be that way.

You know what, yah, men have a sex drive. It doesn't need a starter, or cuddling or any bullshit. It's not an excuse, it's just part of having a dick.
Whether we're lining women up at our door, or have chosen to settle with only one, doesn't change that fact that we have a penis. We're horny twits regardless.

I get that there is an ethical and moral aspect when it comes to sleeping around, this applies to both men and women. Personally, I find the behavior lacking class, but I don't see anything wrong with adults enjoying themselves.

I -might- be off my rocker, but I honestly don't think so, but I tend to get the feeling that some women (in general) seem to think of themselves on some ethical/moral pedestal, with the vagina some sacred object, and the penis (in general) some filthy vile animal to be warded off.
I've -never- gotten the feeling from a man who feels that sleeping around for a woman is not proper, as attacking the female gender.
I -do- get the feeling that many women who think that men sleeping around isn't proper, -are- attacking the male gender.

Yes, women do -not-, generally, have a hormone, or instinct to just screw. Fine for you.
Yes, men -do-, generally, have hormones and instincts to screw anything that moves. Get the F over it. It's what we are. And what choices me make, are individual, and not a 'fault' or a 'problem' of being a male.
26-02-11, 10:54 PM
HeartIsAching

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Originally Posted by Regnent [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Yes, women do -not-, generally, have a hormone, or instinct to just screw. Fine for you.

You're meeting the wrong women.
26-02-11, 11:25 PM
SelflessnHumble

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Originally Posted by Regnent [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

I can't pinpoint this, but I get this nagging feeling that women can be women, but men are not allowed to be men.

If you can't pinpoint it? Does it exist?

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Originally Posted by Regnent [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Hey, I know you bleed out every month, and turn into a raging bitch because it sucks and you've got hormones raging through your body, but hey, it really doesn't have to be that way.

The tone in this quote speaks of your emotionally compromised stance of your disdain for this "perceived" pedestal.
Calling a woman a raging bitch does little to nothing for your position.

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Originally Posted by Regnent [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

You know what, yah, men have a sex drive. It doesn't need a starter, or cuddling or any bullshit. It's not an excuse, it's just part of having a dick.
Whether we're lining women up at our door, or have chosen to settle with only one, doesn't change that fact that we have a penis. We're horny twits regardless.

This fact is true. This is why the neck tie was invented. We don't need to be touched on our ears, tickled
or massaged with $1,000.00 facials. We just need our junk played with to put it bluntly.

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Originally Posted by Regnent [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

I get that there is an ethical and moral aspect when it comes to sleeping around, this applies to both men and women. Personally, I find the behavior lacking class, but I don't see anything wrong with adults enjoying themselves.

This is a good point but equally as valid is an opinion that deems promiscuity appropriate.

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Originally Posted by Regnent [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

I -might- be off my rocker, but I honestly don't think so, but I tend to get the feeling that some women (in general) seem to think of themselves on some ethical/moral pedestal, with the vagina some sacred object, and the penis (in general) some filthy vile animal to be warded off.

Guess what dude. If you get that feeling...you're not alone here. Why?
MEN EMPOWERED WOMEN. They had to ask for permission (which implies they did NOT ever have the authority) to be equal. While I am for equality...most women do NOT know what this actually means. And it is sad.

Who to point the finger at?
-Society
-Indoctrination
-Programming....................Done.

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Originally Posted by Regnent [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

I've -never- gotten the feeling from a man who feels that sleeping around for a woman is not proper, as attacking the female gender.
I -do- get the feeling that many women who think that men sleeping around isn't proper, -are- attacking the male gender.

This is because they aren't fair nor being equal as they demand from the male population, that's why.
See, if you're religious...It's all Eve's fault for her issues, let alone why we fell from paradise in the 1st place.
If you don't believe this, cool. Then don't invoke equality as a basis for your *right* to be ________.

If a man sleeps around with many women? He's a man whore plain and simple.
If a woman sleeps around with many men? Is she some wondrous being sharing her love with all men? Nope. Equality.

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Originally Posted by Regnent [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Yes, women do -not-, generally, have a hormone, or instinct to just screw. Fine for you.
Yes, men -do-, generally, have hormones and instincts to screw anything that moves. Get the F over it. It's what we are. And what choices me make, are individual, and not a 'fault' or a 'problem' of being a male.

While I don't share the way you convey your message....the fact is:

From a natural (and biological standpoint) we were made to have sex with women (having the seed) while
they were made to reproduce more men and women. I don't think of any woman as being on a pedestal and
any man who does so? Is foolish. Is being with one woman "biological?" I don't think so.

Survival has been the theme since time.
Since we have ensured our survival: ask yourself when and if the paradigm shifted: how do men and women think now?
26-02-11, 11:43 PM
Regnent

I've met -1- woman.
Anways, there's a difference between enjoying sometihng, and doing it (or even just accepting it as something that's ok), and having a biological drive to do it.
26-02-11, 11:46 PM
80r

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Originally Posted by SelflessnHumble [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

MEN EMPOWERED WOMEN. They had to ask for permission (which implies they did NOT ever have the authority) to be equal. While I am for equality...most women do NOT know what this actually means. And it is sad.

Who to point the finger at?
-Society
-Indoctrination
-Programming....................Done.

Actually, it's much simpler than that. In general, men have a greater sex drive than women. That means that what occurs often is that the man wants to have sex, when the woman does not. This turns into sex occurring on the woman's terms, because the man always wants it.

In summary, if the woman wants sex, they have sex, almost every time. If the man wants sex, he's going to have to either persuade/seduce or wait on many occasions, and eventually it will become habit.
26-02-11, 11:52 PM
SelflessnHumble

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Originally Posted by 80r [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Actually, it's much simpler than that. In general, men have a greater sex drive than women. That means that what occurs often is that the man wants to have sex, when the woman does not. This turns into sex occurring on the woman's terms, because the man always wants it.

In summary, if the woman wants sex, they have sex, almost every time. If the man wants sex, he's going to have to either persuade/seduce or wait on many occasions, and eventually it will become habit.

Almost every girl I've met didn't have an issue with the many times we had sex daily.
I have found that women have been more horny than men: although over time this will change (because it is basic)

The only time I've been refused sex: is when we did it so much she was really sore and/or my (sperm) tank was on E.

When I wanted sex: I just took it (and I don't mean rape)
Women will hand you the keys if you know how to ask for them dude. Trust me. It's really that easy.
Once a woman feels comfortable with you (provided you are mysterious, appealing, funny/attractive) taking them to bed is easier than
getting their facebook page!
27-02-11, 12:02 AM
80r

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Originally Posted by SelflessnHumble [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Almost every girl I've met didn't have an issue with the many times we had sex daily.
I have found that women have been more horny than men: although over time this will change (because it is basic)

The only time I've been refused sex: is when we did it so much she was really sore and/or my (sperm) tank was on E.

When I wanted sex: I just took it (and I don't mean rape)
Women will hand you the keys if you know how to ask for them dude. Trust me. It's really that easy.
Once a woman feels comfortable with you (provided you are mysterious, appealing, funny/attractive) taking them to bed is easier than
getting their facebook page!

How long was your longest relationship?
27-02-11, 12:08 AM
SelflessnHumble

Going on 6 years now. She was very shy when I met her (surprise right?) Now, she's a sexual machine. I think great sex brings out the animal in women.
Crappy sex? Meh.

But before that? Shit man they all overlapped (because I cheated each time)
Creating new relationships on top of old ones never realizing that the high I got from doing this: was the illusion that *I* was actually loving them.
27-02-11, 12:20 AM
Regnent

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Originally Posted by SelflessnHumble [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

If you can't pinpoint it? Does it exist?

Maybe, maybe not.

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Originally Posted by SelflessnHumble [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

The tone in this quote speaks of your emotionally compromised stance of your disdain for this "perceived" pedestal.
Calling a woman a raging bitch does little to nothing for your position.

Not that I'm trying for a position of some sort, but I'm curiuos how you come to this conclusion. Women have been calling men names for ages. Some of our -natural- traits are viewed as faulty or just bad. Our sex drive, and aggressive traits are often used to label men, as a whole, as offending creatures by some women.
Picking on PMS is no different if we want to be fair, no?
Granted, there are men who already fault women for pms, but my experiance tends to count them at fewer numbers.

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Originally Posted by SelflessnHumble [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

This is a good point but equally as valid is an opinion that deems promiscuity appropriate.

And why can't promiscuity be appropriate? Is there something fundamentally -wrong- with having sex? This is one of those things that have been... colored by religion and stigma.
Consider eating pork, a big no-no for some religions.
I'm personally far more offended by manipulating someone to get sex.

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Originally Posted by SelflessnHumble [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Guess what dude. If you get that feeling...you're not alone here. Why?
MEN EMPOWERED WOMEN. They had to ask for permission (which implies they did NOT ever have the authority) to be equal. While I am for equality...most women do NOT know what this actually means. And it is sad.

Asking is more a current issue than historical. Even historically, it varied greatly depending on situation.
I think more women know what equality means than you think. One problem is that many abuse it to get what they want. Another is that legally, women have more rights than men. Yet another, is that yes, men -can- be pigs.

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Originally Posted by SelflessnHumble [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Who to point the finger at?
-Society
-Indoctrination
-Programming....................Done.

I don't really believe finger pointing is constructive.
Equal right are still a fairly new concept, and there's going to be -alot- more back and forth before men and women can really start treating each other more equally.

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Originally Posted by SelflessnHumble [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

This is because they aren't fair nor being equal as they demand from the male population, that's why.
See, if you're religious...It's all Eve's fault for her issues, let alone why we fell from paradise in the 1st place.
If you don't believe this, cool. Then don't invoke equality as a basis for your *right* to be ________.

If a man sleeps around with many women? He's a man whore plain and simple.
If a woman sleeps around with many men? Is she some wondrous being sharing her love with all men? Nope. Equality.

Really not sure what you're trying to say here.

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Originally Posted by SelflessnHumble [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Since we have ensured our survival: ask yourself when and if the paradigm shifted: how do men and women think now?

I'm just going to leave this one alone. For this thread anyways.

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