21th century is asian century.. do you think so?

If you think I'm claiming some 'white superiority' on this, ala DM, nope.

But I do stand by this statement

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if you make a list of the most influential ideas of all time (to date), I'm afraid its very heavily weighted towards Western culture.

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Feel free to add to the list, but as I say, the ideas should go beyond mere invention. They should be world-changing. I suppose we could include the internet in the list, but that's also a Western invention.

As for Old Inventions, it depends how far back you want to go. We could include African culture if you want to include the invention of fire?

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Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Feel free to add to the list

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Indi, I already have

If you don't consider what I posted and contents of links I already provided as a significant counterweight to western ideas. Not only counterweight, but that which helped to develop western ideas and ideologies in the shape and context they exist today then there's no further debating with you. You are claiming a cultural superiority and this has now entered a stage beyond the facts.

Its not that I don't think those inventions unimportant, but they don't describe the point I'm trying to make. Anyway, the failure to get my idea across is mine at this point and I *am* starting to flail a bit more than usual. So I'll go away from this a bit & think about how to say it better for now.

Meantime, someone else might get the gist of what I mean & can say it better. Its not about 'superiority' for me, tho I suppose some might argue thats an outcome. Its more to do with expansionist vs. centrist nations and the culture that results.

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Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

If you think I'm claiming some 'white superiority' on this, ala DM, nope.

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I don't believe in white supremacy at all. I am, however, not going to rewrite history to give credit where it doesn't belong. The vast majority of math and scientific advancements are from central and western Europe

Like I said before, in my linear algebra book the people that made contributions were all from France, Germany, Switzerland, Italy, and Austria. The only appearance of anything outside of Europe was in the very first chapter on how the ancient Chinese solved systems of linear equations

Making that statement doesn't amount to supremacy of one group. It's just not being one of those dickwads today that thinks every culture or group brought an equal amount of food to the table

Oh and Indi, I completely agree with most of what you said. It's one of those things that shouldn't have to be put into words because people should be able to understand it on their own, but when they don't want to believe it and try to get you to put it into words it becomes harder to do because they spend time trying to poke holes into your argument where there aren't any and you spend vast amounts of time trying to correct them where at some point you'll get off topic or make a mistake

So why is it Asian century again?

I think Asia, Europe and the US will be equally as powerful in the future. Dominance leads to war almost always.

I wonder what would happen if Russia-China-Japan relations would bloom. You'd have the resources, the living space, the manpower and the technology.

Post-WWII grudges might still stuff that up though.

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Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Much as I admire Chinese culture, they did NOT bring that level of advancement to the the world. If they had, we'd be speaking Mandarin today, the way the world spoke Latin during the Roman era and English today.

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Originally Posted by IndiReloaded [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Rome was an old power. Britain, Spain, France, even America (tho American influence takes a different form). Even muslims as evidenced by their presence in countries such as Spain.

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You consider Spain, France, America, and Russia as "old power" yet not everyone is speaking Spanish, French, and Russia. Being an "Old power" doesn't mean everyone needs to speak your language.

And about the inventions...no work of modern invention is created completely by one person. Its usually the result of multiple scientists (from different nationalities) who works on it and improves it to the state that we can use today. Asia is no exception.

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Originally Posted by Mishanya [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Yeh, but straight after that you claimed superiority of one culture above others and that's what really peeved me about your posts

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I wasn't expecting this from Indi either. I mean, right off the bat she accuses a whole continent of people as being racist. I wouldn't even call it an "outlandish" remark. It's just pure stupidity.

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Originally Posted by DoesntMatter [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Oh and Indi, I completely agree with most of what you said. It's one of those things that shouldn't have to be put into words because people should be able to understand it on their own, but when they don't want to believe it and try to get you to put it into words it becomes harder to do because they spend time trying to poke holes into your argument where there aren't any and you spend vast amounts of time trying to correct them where at some point you'll get off topic or make a mistake

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Btw, DM you're so cute sometimes...the way you're so empathetic.

I want the Chinese to teach me to do this.
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Originally Posted by doppelgaenger [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

So why is it Asian century again?

I think Asia, Europe and the US will be equally as powerful in the future. Dominance leads to war almost always.

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Don't ignore my question

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Originally Posted by lastwish [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

I wasn't expecting this from Indi either.

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It's so strange. Fair enough hearing it from DM he's young and he hasn't read much outside of his vacuum. But Indi is the first person who usually stands up against racism and superiority / inferiority complexes.. And yet, to fall into that whole Madison Grant ideology. It's complete ignorance, cherry picking of facts to support a world perspective and ignoring or diminishing of facts which seem unfavorable to it. I thought cultural and racial superiority were debunked long time ago. Seems like it's still here with us deeply rooted into people's psyches.

I'll be honest, the present worries me.


For anyone who is interested. Scientific racism still exists today in more areas than one and pushing cultural superiority is one of the tools at it's disposal. I found a lot of interesting information on it here, some things I didn't know [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism[/url]

I agree with Indi and DM. I can't stand people being so PC all the time. So goddamned sensitive. It's a form of intellectual dishonesty.

i never thought that india would ever be a world power...what a weird concept to me.

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Oh, stop it mish. I'm pretty sure you are well aware indi is not racist. It seems that rather than acting morally outraged, you might try a little harder to understand what she is trying to say.

I understand it all to well