obama.

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Originally Posted by Frasbee [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

People will be mad at us initially once we stop "helping" the rest of the world, but eventually they'd forget about hating us and hate someone else who steps up to the plate. We'd just have to give up our super power status. Not that that's saying much anymore.

Just look at Sweden.

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We're sorry for focusing on aid and accepting refugees rather than lashing out with threats and sneaky side-deals.

*snicker*

America also contributes heavily to alot of U.N. funds, so when you criticize their "help," you're sometimes criticizing the "help" of 192 other countries.

**** all the haters. vote for obama.

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Originally Posted by starbuck [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

America also contributes heavily to alot of U.N. funds, so when you criticize their "help," you're sometimes criticizing the "help" of 192 other countries.

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Makes you think of the good things that Bush actually achieved to help out in various parts of africa, yet how it completely over-shaded by Iraq.

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Originally Posted by starbuck [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

America also contributes heavily to alot of U.N. funds, so when you criticize their "help," you're sometimes criticizing the "help" of 192 other countries.

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America is actually in debt to the UN! unpaid bills! ye fantastic!

most countries are in debt.

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Originally Posted by Lipp [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Makes you think of the good things that Bush actually achieved to help out in various parts of africa, yet how it completely over-shaded by Iraq.

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Yep, I'm no fan of Dubya, but I have to give the Bush administration some credit for the money we've spent on AIDS/HIV programs in developing nations. Yes, a small percentage of it was earmarked for teaching abstinence, but overall it's helped millions of people get life-saving medicine as well as testing and education.

[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/washington/05aids.html"]http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/washington/05aids.html[/URL]

with the world's largest economy the fact that it has a ridiculous bloated debt of $1.734 billion to an organisation that it asks to take on so much around the world.....from Darfur to Iraq to, most recently, Zimbabwe....... even with this funding, America is still dangerously underfunding peacekeeping missions in places like Chad, Kosovo, and the Democratic Republic of Congo, jeopardising the ability of these missions to be effective.

What's your main point, Eco? America = bad, everyone else = good?

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Originally Posted by starbuck [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

What's your main point, Eco? America = bad, everyone else = good?

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there is always a reason for America's so called 'help' thats my point

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Originally Posted by ecojeanne [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

with the world's largest economy the fact that it has a ridiculous bloated debt of $1.734 billion to an organisation that it asks to take on so much around the world.....from Darfur to Iraq to, most recently, Zimbabwe....... even with this funding, America is still dangerously underfunding peacekeeping missions in places like Chad, Kosovo, and the Democratic Republic of Congo, jeopardising the ability of these missions to be effective.

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I think we are OVERFUNDING the UN.

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Originally Posted by ecojeanne [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

there is always a reason for America's so called 'help' thats my point

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So what? The same can be said for every country that intervenes in foreign affairs.

you just don't get it...infact you just don't want to get it

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Originally Posted by ecojeanne [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

you just don't get it...infact you just don't want to get it

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What don't I want to get? Please explain.

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Originally Posted by starbuck [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

What don't I want to get? Please explain.

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fact is America exploits other countries.....get it?.....anyway this point was in response to people claiming 'America helps'....what more do you want me to say.....a claim was made and i proved it wrong....over and out.

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Originally Posted by ecojeanne [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

'helping' is the nice name America uses for exploiting....why does there have to be a catch?

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Because I don't feel like spending my tax dollars on every country that needs it if America gets nothing from it.

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fact is America exploits other countries.....get it?.....anyway this point was in response to people claiming 'America helps'....what more do you want me to say.....a claim was made and i proved it wrong....over and out.

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The only thing that you've proven is that you're a conspiracy theorist wack job that is completely anti-America.

I am proud of my country. In fact, if I were to ever become the President, I think you should be a little more fearful because these little Anti-American countries would soon be a part of the country they hate so much.

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Originally Posted by Cain [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

The only thing that you've proven is that you're a conspiracy theorist wack job that is completely anti-America.

I am proud of my country. In fact, if I were to ever become the President, I think you should be a little more fearful because these little Anti-American countries would soon be a part of the country they hate so much.

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its all about fear...and takeover....haha cain thanks go on! keep proving my point....

btw just so you know i love the American people and have very close American friends...i dont sterotype or judge all as a nation...i judge their choice of leader and decisions made by them that happen to affect the rest of the world

p.s don't vote for cain hehe

I don't have to prove anything right.

I've always been a fan of world domination.

We'll be the United States of Earth and I'll be Dictator Cain.

And DM will be on my advisory committee.

Starbucks will be my Monica.

It must be really hard for people to comprehend that the US will actually act in its own best interest

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It must be really hard for people to comprehend that the US will actually act in its own best interest

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It's really hard for me to comprehend why anyone would expect their country to do otherwise.

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It must be really hard for people to comprehend that the US will actually act in its own best interest

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Yeah, apparently the US is supposed to be willing to come to the aid of other countries while spending our own money to do it when there is no benefit to us at all.

I fail to really see how that's logical.

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Originally Posted by Cain [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Yeah, apparently the US is supposed to be willing to come to the aid of other countries while spending our own money to do it when there is no benefit to us at all.

I fail to really see how that's logical.

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Do you even comprehend that these so called ‘help’ decisions are based on how much America can get….in fact they instigate and forcefully go to countries in the name of freedom while getting their own people killed unnecessarily as well as the native people killed…that’s not helping…that’s destructive

This thread is silly. Why do you people argue American politics with non-Americans? Are their opinions really so important to any of you?

On behalf of misombra, I say vote for Obama.

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Originally Posted by shh! [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

This thread is silly. Why do you people argue American politics with non-Americans? Are their opinions really so important to any of you?

On behalf of misombra, I say vote for Obama.

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I'm always up for a good debate.

^ There is nothing good about this debate. All I see is ignorance.

Well, I don't really agree to Ecojeanne's arguments (or way of putting it all forward in one sentence or less), but at least having an outside opinion gives a point of view from countries that might have more than two actual options of political parties to choose from, and won't undergo the same media slant. And with the topic being about helping out in foreign countries, I don't see how only americans should be scrutinizing what happens outside of the borders. If it was an internal affairs thing, then yes.

As for "helping", it depends entirely on what it is. Let's have a theoretical example.

"US gives $1bn to rebuild Georgia"

That's all well and good.

However, if the administration would be back two years later and request the building of a missile defense system against supposed terrorist attacks (Czech Republic, anyone?) and use their previous aid as a lever to request it, it's exploiting an opportunity rather than helping.

Aid is something you give, not a loan that you expect to be repaid in full. If it's not aid, call it by its true name - a business venture.

Eeh, probably not making much sense, 7:42 in the morning is too early for me Z.z

i agree that with help from the u.s. comes all kinds of other bad stuff. we want souls in return for what we give.

there's also those countries that **** it all up when they get it. or people give and give and never gets to the people that need it.

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Well, I don't really agree to Ecojeanne's arguments (or way of putting it all forward in one sentence or less), but at least having an outside opinion gives a point of view from countries that might have more than two actual options of political parties to choose from, and won't undergo the same media slant. And with the topic being about helping out in foreign countries, I don't see how only americans should be scrutinizing what happens outside of the borders. If it was an internal affairs thing, then yes.

As for "helping", it depends entirely on what it is. Let's have a theoretical example.

"US gives $1bn to rebuild Georgia"

That's all well and good.

However, if the administration would be back two years later and request the building of a missile defense system against supposed terrorist attacks (Czech Republic, anyone?) and use their previous aid as a lever to request it, it's exploiting an opportunity rather than helping.

Aid is something you give, not a loan that you expect to be repaid in full. If it's not aid, call it by its true name - a business venture.

Eeh, probably not making much sense, 7:42 in the morning is too early for me Z.z

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omg! that was perfect...i know i dont have the best way to explain myself...i'm fully aware that America does good things but i was pointing out that they have a lot of serious bad aswell...anyway i didnt actually want to offend...i was actually just trying to open minds to other points of view...cain eggs me on like f**k

**** cain, vote for obama.

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omg! that was perfect...i know i dont have the best way to explain myself...i'm fully aware that America does good things but i was pointing out that they have a lot of serious bad aswell...anyway i didnt actually want to offend...i was actually just trying to open minds to other points of view...cain eggs me on like f**k

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Stop whining, you twat.

I simply respond to your complaints.

I have no problem with the US expecting something in return for their help. I would be very irritated if we were giving other countries money with nothing in return.

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Originally Posted by misombra [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

i agree that with help from the u.s. comes all kinds of other bad stuff. we want souls in return for what we give.

there's also those countries that **** it all up when they get it. or people give and give and never gets to the people that need it.

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Speaking of which, I'm not really fond of giving to aid these days. The problem appears to be greater in distributing and using the funds effectively (or at all) rather than getting the cash itself.

Reminds me of the dozens of fishing boats that the aid agencies bought for tsunami survivors, but didn't buy an engine for a single one of them so that they were essentially useless.

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Originally Posted by Cain [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]

Stop whining, you twat.

I simply respond to your complaints.

I have no problem with the US expecting something in return for their help. I would be very irritated if we were giving other countries money with nothing in return.

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they are not complaints they're opinions and would you stop trying to provoke me....its getting ridiculous

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Stop whining, you twat.

I simply respond to your complaints.

I have no problem with the US expecting something in return for their help. I would be very irritated if we were giving other countries money with nothing in return.

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i disagree. people shouldn't give with the expectation of getting something back.

But countries should :)

Like Ethiopia giving monetary aid to Mexico when they got hit by that big hurricane in the 80s or early 90s... They couldn't even afford it, but did so because Mexico came to their aid earlier in history

well that's the nice and polite thing to do. but the u.s. most of the time doesn't help to be nice and polite, they do it because they want something in return.

Exactly, we should stop helping other and start helping ourselves.

Vote Ron Paul.

you can actually write him in on your ballot.

vote for obama instead though.