I think in developed countries, the United States, United Kingdom and New Zealand have the highest level of teenage pregnancy, while Japan and South Korea have the lowest
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I think in developed countries, the United States, United Kingdom and New Zealand have the highest level of teenage pregnancy, while Japan and South Korea have the lowest
What you said wasQuote:
Originally Posted by searock [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
And you said this as a rebuttal to smackie's point, leading me to believe that your argument was that since the male part is not on display as much as the woman's, that means the women are being objectified more than the men, or by the men, or whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by searock
Or when you say "media" do you mean of the non-pornographic type?
Well, yes, because those are the kind of videos I'm referring to in this thread. o.OQuote:
Originally Posted by LifeInflux [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
No: I would find it equally disturbing if a grown woman watched porn videos involving people that looked like teenage kids (male and/or female).Quote:
For you it has to mean there is something fundamentally wrong with their thought process to find a female of 18 or 19 sexually attractive. That is more a me(man) vs you(woman) situation
I understand that. I am only referring to guys who specifically want to watch people that look like they're teenage kids. Guys that want the girl to have an age, that want her to be a teenager.Quote:
But thats not how men think, unfortunately, despite what most people here want to portray themselves as doing. The common man doesn't see every woman with an age above their head. That, is unrealistic.
So basically you are saying that you don't think most guys actually prefer teen porn. It's just another type of porn amongst many others, and it is watched with full consciousness that the women in it are actually older, and that the word "teen" is only used to denote the fact that the women in it are young and hot (i.e. fully developed). Basically you don't think it matters, to most men, whether the girl is "teen" or not, as long as she's hot. You also don't think most men would actively avoid watching a teen-labeled video just because the word "teen" is in the title. Correct?Quote:
most men, who watch porn, will watch porn labelled "teen" at some point...
It says "totals" at the top of the graphQuote:
Originally Posted by Wakeup [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I can't speak for LIF but I believe this is exactly the case. Like I said before, if a nice, shapely round ass walks by cocks are gonna get hard whether dat ass belongs to a 17 year old or a 45 year old.Quote:
Originally Posted by searock [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I think the statistics are always going to be a little skewed in regards to sexual education and teen pregnancy in the US, simply because in most of the countries on your chart, the US is substantially larger in area and population, amount of immigration, and things of that sort.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wakeup [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I listened when I was in my sexual education classes, and remember the handouts they gave me in elementary school to this day. I also remember the anti-drug campaigns too, and the emergency safety classes.
I wouldn't say I'm in the minority here either, but I can't account for inconsistency throughout all the states. Judging by population in consideration to another country, like, say Canada, it would only stand to reason there will be a larger amount of teen pregnancy data to go on.
Its partially statistical, and likely regionally correlated as well, but we just don't have the numbers in those situations. This is a completely off topic discussion though...
Yes, that's what I mean, that's why I made a distinction between the two points.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickriculous [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Now that you bring it up though, women are seen as sexual objects in a lot of "regular" (i.e. not specifically intended to be dom/sub) porn videos too. The camera is almost always positioned in the man's point of view, the viewer almost always sees only the face of the woman (and not the guy's face), the videos are just generally aimed at a male audience. I know the reason behind this is that men watch porn a lot more than women, but this also contributes to create misconceptions about real sex. Also, I wonder if more women would watch porn, if it weren't so fixated on the male point of view. I probably would.
I'd be lying if I said that there aren't men out there that specifically want to see an 18 or 19 year old girl, but no, I don't think thats the majority of men. I think when men browse videos, they are only looking for a girl that they find attractive, in a situation they find pleasing. If that happens to be a teen video, then its a teen video, if its a video of some 40 year old, then so be it.Quote:
Originally Posted by searock [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Okay, this is quite comforting, to know that most guys don't in fact have a "teen fixation".Quote:
Originally Posted by dickriculous [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
It's also understandable to me that you (general you) would appreciate a hot body, when it is walking down the street and you don't know how old the owner is. However: isn't is a bit creepy to watch a porn video in which you know (or think or believe) that the girl in it is actually a teenage kid? This doesn't apply to guys who know/think/believe that the women in it are older than 20.
That's because it's catering to the imagination and visual complexities that men enjoy. There are many, many porn films that cater to women. "couples porn" in particular caters to us. Men afterall are who most watch (any type of) porn so that is why it's geared the way it is. In this day and age I think its particularily prudent that porn and the ACTING and the unrealistic-ness of it be brought up when you are having your birds and bees talk with your children. Don't ever let your school system be responsible for the better health of your childrens emotional or sexual health. I say.Quote:
Originally Posted by searock [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
That's good to know :-). Why do you think the guys who want to specifically see an 18 or 19 year old want it? (It's ok if you don't have answer, since as you said you're not one of those guys.)Quote:
Originally Posted by LifeInflux [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I understand. However, wouldn't a grown man be put off at the thought that a girl in a porn video might be so much younger than he is, and actually be a teenage kid (this includes 18 and 19 year olds)? It's ok if the answer is "no, most men wouldn't care", I'm just curious :-).Quote:
I think when men browse videos, they are only looking for a girl that they find attractive, in a situation they find pleasing. If that happens to be a teen video, then its a teen video, if its a video of some 40 year old, then so be it.
I guess I just haven't been paying enough attention :-).Quote:
Originally Posted by Wakeup [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
you do realize that "per capita" means per 1000 people. Size of country is not even a consideration in those stats. So: Even Jamaica could have a higher teen pregnancy then USA if it in fact was based on 1000 people and within that 1000, there were more teen pregnancies.Quote:
Originally Posted by LifeInflux [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Eh there's two sides to that one. For every bit of media out there that makes women out to be sexual objects there's another that makes men out to be blundering morons who's sole purpose in life is to be his wife's subservient dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by searock [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
No. It's just a fantasy. I've fantasized about killing someone, so I can't say that a fantasy about having sex with a teenage face on a fully developed body fazes me.Quote:
Originally Posted by searock
The link you provided wasn't per 1000 people. The amounts of unwanted births are listed in totalsQuote:
Originally Posted by Wakeup [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I don't agree. Women are sexualized and objectified A LOT more than men are made to look like you describe - at least in my country, I can't speak for the USA.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickriculous [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Fair enough. Is there something appealing about her specifically having a teenage face?Quote:
No. It's just a fantasy. I've fantasized about killing someone many times in my life so I can't say that a fantasy about having sex with a teenage face on a fully developed body fazes me.
I don't know, if I were to guess I would say in most instances it's just one of many things a man can be attracted to.Quote:
Originally Posted by searock [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
When that's not the case, maybe some guys associate an element of innocence to a younger face. For others, it might intensify a sexual attraction to submissiveness. Others might enjoy the feeling of being the big man with more experience and get off because they feel powerful at that point in time. This is all just arm chair psychology though.
Thats the point of stating statistically and regionally, as EVEN on a per capita basis you get better statistics when breaking down specifically the population based on those that have attended - oh - say a sexual education class, or those that are immigrants, (the united states is triple the next highest country in immigration).Quote:
Originally Posted by Wakeup [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I think its less to do with specific sexual education practices and more to do with the massive amount of mixed situational differences personally.
If you click on the link that says "definition" it says it's per 1000Quote:
Originally Posted by dickriculous [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Old stats, yes... but I only took a second to search.Quote:
The number of births to women aged below 20 per 1,000 women aged 15 to 19. (1995-1998)
Opting out now before the thread gets anymore off topic.
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I think for those that specifically want to see 18 - 19 it could be an innocence thing or just the idea of being with a very young girl thats so different than what they currently have been with. It could be the variety of it... and yes in certain cases, it could be about seeing someone who looks ..underage.. I'm not going to lie and say there aren't men out there like that... but I would argue that those are few and far between.Quote:
Originally Posted by searock [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
And no, most men don't care if the girl looks so much younger than them... age is usually hard to formulate... I bet if you saw a picture of me, you wouldn't be able to tell my age from it, similarly with a lot of others... Its all about visuals.
This is the only thing I don't understand and that I find disturbing of the possible reasons you've listed (thanks btw, even if it's just armchair psychology they make sense to me). I don't think there's anything sexually attractive about "innocence", I don't think young = innocence, I think it's messed up for guys to get off to "innocence" being corrupted, etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by dickriculous [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
This is what I don't get: what is the "innocence thing"?Quote:
Originally Posted by LifeInflux [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Thankfully :D. In this case it would be a "taboo" thing, right? I think it would be a "taboo + innocence thing", whatever the innocence thing is...Quote:
and yes in certain cases, it could be about seeing someone who looks ..underage.. I'm not going to lie and say there aren't men out there like that... but I would argue that those are few and far between.
I'm referring to situations in which guys think/know/believe that the women in the porn video they are watching are teenagers - so in that case, age would be specified.Quote:
age is usually hard to formulate... I bet if you saw a picture of me, you wouldn't be able to tell my age from it, similarly with a lot of others... Its all about visuals.
How so? Different strokes for different folks. I think it's messed up for people to get off on pain, or extreme bondage, but I don't judge. If there wasn't a huge market/demographic that liked porn with "innocent" girls, then there wouldn't be a mainstream genre dedicated to it. I think this is a case where you probably won't get an answer that will completely satisfy you, but throughout the thread there are some decent answers that you can piece together.Quote:
Originally Posted by searock [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I'm not sure if these videos exist, or are that easy to find. I just assume all "teen" videos are people who look younger but are at least 18 or older. The internet is a dirty place, but most mainstream adult sites like PH or RT generally filter their content.Quote:
Originally Posted by searock [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Innocence is kind of a thing where..... I don't know how to explain the appeal, as its not something I tend to find as an attractive trait.Quote:
Originally Posted by searock [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I'd have to say, coming from my best guess on how to describe it, its more of the sense of - almost a as you said, taboo belief - that a girl that looks sweet and cute without much experience in things, wouldn't do anything sexual due to their.. perceived demeanor, and that its more of a lustful thing. Perhaps I'm wrong on the way I'm describing it...
Or maybe it has to do with a domination thing.... finding someone that they believe is impressionable? I'm not saying all the reasons are good reasons, and I'm really just guessing on some of these...
Will it make you feel any better about why they do it? Probably not.
I have received lots of satisfying answers to the question "Do you think most men watch teen porn specifically because they have a teen fixation?" - the consensus seems to be "No, not specifically, but most men do stumble upon teen porn and they have no problem watching it because all they care about is that the women in it are attractive to them".
I have only just asked the question "What is "the innocence thing?"", so I cannot possibly have received a satisfying answer (or any kind of answer) yet.
I do doubt a satisfying answer exists, though.
How is it lustful? I realize it's difficult to describe, especially if you don't feel it yourself, but thanks :-).Quote:
Originally Posted by LifeInflux [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
This I can understand :-).Quote:
Or maybe it has to do with a domination thing....
Doesn't matter - I just want to try to understand.Quote:
Will it make you feel any better about why they do it? Probably not.
I think it is the perception of an innocent young girl being taken advantage of on camera and being naive to the world around her. She is in a sense being "broken" by the world, and some guy and a camera are the ones to do it.
The reality is it is all scripted and she has probably had more sexual partners at 19 than most women have in their lifetimes, but you just don't think of it like that when you're watching.
Okay... but how is this sexually appealing? If anything, it's sad...??Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerby [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
To you perhaps, but only because it doesn't work for you. I think this is where the disconnect is, you're trying to understand this, but since your body doesn't get that "feeling" from it, the understand simply isn't present. Remember, what turns you on isn't always something you can explain, it is something that just does.Quote:
Originally Posted by searock [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
I don't understand why some people are turned on by extreme fetishes, and if they were to try to explain it, I wouldn't get it because my juices don't flow into those thoughts. This is the same thing that is happening here. You simply can't understand because it doesn't work for you.
Fair enough... I guess I'm trying to understand the innocence fetish in particular because it disturbs me a lot, while other fetishes don't. I mean, with other fetishes I'm like "Meh, doesn't work for me but I can see how it could work for someone else". With this fetish, I'm like "Wow that's sick!! It makes no sense whatsoever, why would someone be turned on by that?!". I wish I could understand it somehow, I think it would make it less disturbing for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerby [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
To me, it just makes me feel like it's a huge injustice, almost as if it were rape, because the girl has no clue what's going on and therefore has no means to stop it from happening. It's just so outrageously WRONG to me, psychologically damaging for the girl, it makes me sick that someone would actually get off to it.
It is only perception, maybe this helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by searock [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
If I see one of these videos online, I can fantasize she is young because I know it is all on a stage and everyone is there because they agreed to be (albeit young, stupid decisions probably had a part in it). If it were a video of a "rape" or "coercion", I wouldn't enjoy it at all. Something in my brain (or other body parts) would flip the switch off because there is clearly something wrong with the situation.
They're leading me on a fantasy, so I take it in as they lead it. That is their role as the high quality adult entertainers they are, to take me on that 2-3 minute journey.
I don't understand the turn on by "young", but I can definitely enjoy it, as do many millions of other men. This can be perfectly illustrated with schoolgirl uniforms, you can't go into a sex shop without seeing hundreds of them. They intend to allow your partner to assume the role of a younger person. They're playing into that fantasy as well.
So you're saying that even if lots of men enjoy the "innocent girl being corrupted" fantasy, they wouldn't be turned on by an analogous situation in real life (or filmed in a real situation)?
Probably not. Sometimes perceived reality is more enticing than actual reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by searock [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Okay... well I guess that's good to know: it's only appealing as long as it's just a fantasy. I still don't understand it, but it's better than I feared.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerby [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
IMO I don't think it's sad nor does it bother me, because it has never interfered in anyway to my sex life, dating men or having relationships with men. The male psyche is different than ours. They are driven by testosterone, have a stronger sex drive, they can separate sex from love. The innocence, the untouched naturally excites them because it makes them feel more masculine, powerful, feel dominance. Innocence, being submissive is very feminine and it's a trait that a lot of men find appealing, just like women like men who come off as confident and strong. What we are genetically programmed complete opposites that's why you "don't get it" because it doesn't appeal to you, and you are thinking with a female respective. Women are more on the emotional scale men are on the physical side of the scale. We are different from men. So disagreeing with what come naturally with men is a waste of argument.
Just because men find something appealing isn't going to make them a bunch of sexual deviants....if they did we would have teenage girls being pursued by men in epidemic proportions world wide lol.
I guess that's why it bothers me so much: it has interfered with mine. I was the object of such a fetish when I was a teenager. I guess I'm so desperately trying to understand it because of what happened to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by smackie9 [Dear Guest/Member you have to reply to see the link.click here to register]
Hm... I do understand the dominance, power thing... I just don't get the appeal in "corrupting innocence".Quote:
The male psyche is different than ours. They are driven by testosterone, have a stronger sex drive, they can separate sex from love. The innocence, the untouched naturally excites them because it makes them feel more masculine, powerful, feel dominance.
If dominance is all there is to it, it doesn't bother me - I can understand that. I'm just pretty sure, unfortunately, that it's not: as Cerby said, men get turned on at the thought of an innocent, naive girl being corrupted. This is the part I don't get and don't like, probably because it happened to me.Quote:
Innocence, being submissive is very feminine and it's a trait that a lot of men find appealing, just like women like men who come off as confident and strong.
So you do think most men have a thing for specifically teenage-looking girls in porn...Quote:
Just because men find something appealing isn't going to make them a bunch of sexual deviants....if they did we would have teenage girls being pursued by men in epidemic proportions world wide lol.
Like I said men like variety...one moment they like teens the next they will be looking at big butt black chicks....they do it to change it up as one fantasy gets old, they move onto something else.
So it's only a minority of men who have a fetish specifically for teenage girls because of the corrupting innocence thing? Or is it something that most men feel at some point, but most move on to the next fantasy as soon as they're bored with that one?
Fetish is a whole different concept. Sexually attracted to teens is not considered as a fetish. A fetish is a sexual fixation with objects, body parts, or situations not conventionally viewed as being sexual in nature.
Like dressing up as a baby and acting like one, S & M, rubber gloves, feet, urination on others or on themselves, eating feces, etc
ok then replace the word fetish with sexual attraction, same questions...